Hey, it appears RVD is pissed off with management too. If you watched the ECW PPV, apparently they were throwing TNA chants when RVD got eliminated...it was so bad that apparently I hear that Mrs. RVD joined in on them...RVD in TNA, fuckin' god I hope so.
Yeah, the PPV was pretty terrible. And I laughed my ass off when they started chanting TNA. I feel sorry for Heyman though.
Yeah, because Vince McMahon wanted to turn a hit money maker into just another WWE brand. There's a reason he brought back ECW five years later, and not WCW. WCW was just another WWF; ECW was a true alternative. Even if WWECW sucks.
He won't...he's taking time off. He has a very bad back and nagging injuries and I highly doubt that he's going to syke out Vince and join TNA...unlike somebody else *coughKurtAnglecough*
Show is gone for good. If he is just taking time off, then he's turning down a wrong corner and heading the way of Andre The Giant.
Hogan's an asshole. He actualy tries to say that he's there for the fans and foolishly they believe him. The only thing he gives a crap about is money. It would be huge for TNA to bring Hogan in though.
No it wouldn't. He would be Hogan there as in WWE. TNA has it's Hogan-esque star already and his name is Sting.
VKM ruined TNA's Turning Point for me. It was probably the worst part of the PPV. I can understand TNA trying to take cheap shots at WWE, but the whole angle is stupid. I could see if say, VKM were standing for the fans, telling WWE to cut it with the dumb promos (which I partly agree with), but no, VKM's angle is to challenge DX because they don't appreciate not being part of the company. Even if they truly don't want to be back with WWE, it seems that way. At least to me, it looks that way. It's like when you see a kid badmouthing someone else because they didn't get an invite to their birthday party. Sounds more like bitter has-beens crying over the fact they're not making as much doing something as simple as redoing an old faction. DX may be doing stupid skits, but they're taking in millions and I personally think that's what's got VKM's panties in a bunch in the end. TNA need to stop with this. They know Vince isn't going to acknowledge their existence. They can bash on the size of his testicles, but the paychecks don't lie. Too bad TNA can't concentrate on itself. It really drags the shows down to have great action broken up by this stupid angle and the promos. Btw, why did they censor "cock" when used to describe the rooster in the cage, but didn't censor "shit"? Not only is this pay-per-view, but the context of "cock" did not violate any rules (especially considering it's a PPV), but adding and not censoring "shit" in there made it seem inconsistent, childish and an obvious plant to make them seem more "serious". Meh. On an unrelated note, Angle vs. Joe this time around was better. The ending was stupid, though. A ref bump and Angle trying to take advantage only to get it thrown back in his face? That has been so played out. I wish that Angle would have lost in a legit way, I think Joe deserved that much. Nice to see the X-Division getting more airtime as well.
Thank god I download the PPV's because I can just fast forward through that shit, but in your terms...you're dead on with what you said about TNA and VKM. And Angle vs. Joe II was indeed better than the first one...give or take with the exception of the ending and the first 5 minutes. The ref bump and shit was a little minor though comparing to how the final 10 minutes of it played out. If you weren't screaming at your TV or computer during those 10 minutes, something's up with you
"Those within WWE cite several different things that lead up to the decision to send Heyman home. Firstly there was a feeling that the pressure of the new ECW was getting to him. Secondly he was blamed for Lashley's poor crowd reactions since he had pushed so hard for him to jump to ECW. Another story is that talent in ECW would go to Heyman with ideas and he would get back to them and say Vince didn't like it. But when the talent went to Vince he had no idea what they were talking about. Heyman also stood up to Vince about McMahon's idea of turning Van Dam heel after his suspension which didn't put him on Vince's good side. The arguement about Lashley not being over as a super babyface though doesn't really hold up though, as Heyman's plan was to turn Lashley heel with Paul as manager to re-create the Hayman-Lesnar deal from 2002, and build towards Lashley vs Van Dam or Punk at Wrestlemania. Vince was strongly against this as he sees Lashley as a potential superhero babyface. But on the day of the PPV Lashley was still telling people he was expecting to turn heel on that weeks TV. The reason Sabu was not in the Chamber match was not because he's about to fired (although he's still in the doghouse) but because they belived that of the four babyfaces in the match (Sabu, Punk, Van Dam, Lashley) Lashley would be the least popular, which isn't ideal when he's going to be winning the belt at the end. Sabu being taken out was confirmed a couple of days before the PPV, but replacing him with Holly wasn't decided on untill the day of the show. That also influenced the finish of Lashley and Show being the last two in the Chamber as there would be no one there more popular than Lashley and try and make sure his victory wasn't a disappointment. Heyman was also blamed for the show ending early, but that sort of thing goes through so many people that's very unfair. There are lots of different stories coming from WWE about what Heyman's original plans for the Chamber match were. However, everyone is saying that Show had agreed to tap out to CM Punk's Anaconda Vice to get Punk over strong even though he wasn't going to win the title. There are then differing reports of when this would have been done. Some are saying Heyman's plan was for Punk and Show to open the Chamber and have Show tap after 4:00, which would give a minute for Show to leave and get a 'Thank You Show' chant or whatever from his hometown crowd as well as getting Punk over. Although Show was more than happy with that idea, Vince turned it down flat. Another version is that Show would eliminate Van Dam before tapping to Punk. Punk would then have been pinned by Test, would in turn would have been pinned by Lashley for the finish. This was rejected by Vince as it was felt it would be more helpfull to Lashley for him to pin both Test and Show."
I don't see why Heyman's getting a load of crap here, I thought some of those ideas were quite good. Vince can't keep only pushing those who have the same political views as him and completly destroying those who get into trouble. It's bad business because no one really wants to see Bradshaw holding the championship for nearly a year and RVD never getting a title shot. As for Lashley, don't get me wrong he's a great talent, I knew he'd be holding championships from the second I saw him step into the ring...but he's only been in WWE for around 6 or so months. He can't simply go from zero to hero just because he's a former member of the US army, it's completly unfair to other talents who actualy deserve pushes.
I think that's the extreme flaw in WWE right now. Vince is so fixated on pushing talent already over; he's forgetting to build back-up talent to fill in, in case certain things happen such as Sabu and RVD getting busted with weed. I agree with McMahon though, keeping RVD and Sabu in the doghouse is what they deserve, as it is the equivalent to being suspended for failing the wellness policy. But nonetheless, moving Lashley to ECW wasn't smart, at least not now. I agree--he's not been in the WWE for that long and could potentially burn out before his time and I think Lashley is promising talent who deserves a long career. However if you look at the roster, a new generation of wrestlers is upon us seeing that Kane, Undertaker and others we've grown to love are close to retirement. This means that Vince needs to push mid-card talent and begin forming new main event talent that can draw, and unfortunately he's not doing that with ECW, which is like breeding ground for potential promising main event talent. I agree that CM Punk should have gotten one victory before being eliminated. Considering he was the "rookie" amongst the four (not including Lashley considering he was scheduled to win the title, so I'm not counting him), although he is very over with fans, having him be eliminated first when he's clearly a showmanship for what the future of wrestling should be, would have helped his character for those not familiar with his pre-WWE work. December to Dismember was horrible due mostly to booking and this whole new concept Vince has where focusing on the main event is the only real concern. That's not only burying mid and low card matches (sadly such as tag team action), but you're putting too much hype on an event that may not live up to it all, ala the "Extreme" Elimination Chamber. By the way, don't we already have a Superhero Babyface? John Cena? I personally am beginning to see why people don't like the guy. His matches are all booked the same (if they are booked that way). He gets his ass handed to him throughout the match until the end in which he pulls out the same arsenal of moves to end the match in victory. That's great and all considering he's champion, but it gets old after awhile. I honestly don't think we need to see another one. Especially when ECW is on Tuesdays, following Monday Night RAW... On an unrelated note, I think I read that TNA will be debuting a teaser trailer of their game during Spike's Video Game Awards... I have a bad feeling about this. Seriously, they went with Midway... Unless I've missed them, the last wrestling title Midway made was what, WWE Attitude?
No, Midway haven't made a wrestling game before I don't think. Acclaim made Attitude. I'm really looking forward to the game, I'll reserve judgement until I see a trailer of some sort, but it's had input from Samoa Joe & a whole bunch of the TNA roster so I'm hoping for good things. It sounds like they want to make it as good as possible.
I saw it, it wasn't a trailer at all, more like 10 seconds of footage of AJ and Joe coming to the ring and in the ring, that's it. I wanted more. I am looking forward to it though, and yes input from Joe and Styles have been put out there and they are hardcore gamers. http://media.sports.ign.com/articles/750/750859/vids_1.html
Man, the teaser didn't do anything for me. I mean, straight up, I hope these are early build models because boy, if this is how it's going to look in 2008, it's going to be lagging severely. Graphics don't make a game, but they definitely sell the product which is what's going to appeal to general audiences the most, and that's what TNA's going to need being in this industry. What really ruins it for me is this looks pre-rendered and still only looks mildly impressive, and as I said, I'm hoping that this is early build. Gameplay-wise, I'm glad they've got Joe and AJ on board, but I doubt that the gameplay will be solid no matter how hardcore they are. Playing in a six-sided ring is going to be hard not to mention it's never been done before (with a company that's never made a wrestling game before). Also considering this will be their first game, I'm afraid TNA may receive major backlash due to the amount of hype it's now getting, especially since they've made the fans wait this long, I feel like the optimism their fans seem to have may hold expectations way too high but I'm hoping to be wrong. I won't hold judgment yet though. It's just I think if TNA don't do it right, they might get a hell of a lashing if not from fans then WWE loyalist. I want TNA to make a solid game so that the Yukes, THQ and WWE joint will step their game up and make a good title to compete against TNA's. But only time will tell.
Okay if rumour be true then these are some of the matches you should expect to see at Wrestlemania: - The Undertaker vs. Batista (Wrestlemania winning streak vs. World title) - John Cena vs. Randy Orton - Mick Foley vs. Vince McMahon - The Big Show vs. Hulk Hogan - Bobby Lashley vs. CM Punk - JBL vs. The Rock or Stone Cold That card would be quite awesome IMO.