I understand the connection between GATS and ALITS too. That being said, I just feel like it doesn't stick out as much. The backing power chords are generally not what I think of when I think about the song, I tend to think of things like the intro hooks, or in this case intro guitar riffs, to which ALITS and Victimized are extremely similar. As pointed out with Faint and FTI, there have been similar things in the past, but you would never expect to hear the samples at the beginning of LFY introduce another LP song again, for instance. That's how I felt hearing the similar riff kick in ALITS.
Maybe the big thing is the lack of samples in these songs. Both Victimized and ALITS are very guitar-driven, so since there are no other real hooks to establish the songs, people compare the guitar riffs.
Bitching? I've always just thought of it as an observation. "A Line in the Sand" sounds a bit like a hybrid between "Guilty All the Same" and "VICTIMIZED". No big deal; I enjoy all three.
It's bitching because I only see people use it as a complain. Like it was a "lazy" move on the band's part. I personally think it was on purpose - like how they repeat the lyrics in ATS: "Life me up/Let me go" >< "God save us everyone(...)" I mean there are hundreds of reasons why you could dislike the song but I just don't think it's a good reason to dislike it because it's reminiscent of two other songs from the same band.
Always thought Mike did that on purpose, have A Line In The Sand to sound like both GATS and Victimized. To you know, have so many sounds to be recognized in the final track, like saying ''This! This is Linkin Park!''
There's no freaking way it was intentional. You have to really be nitpicky to compare the riffs of Victimized and A Line in the Sand, because Victimized is extremely effected, distorted with octave splitting and pitch shifting, while ALITS uses just distortion. They share one octave chord in their main riffs, and that's it. Have you people looked at Astat's post? He pretty clearly lays out what I'm saying. If you can make the argument that the distorted guitar of ALITS sounds anything like the octave-split and pitched-shifted Victimized, please do so now.
Yes it is. The band had to notice the similarity. And the fact they didn't re-write that parts to me hints at laziness or lack of creativity on either the whole band or Brad's part. But if there was another riff in the place of that one, the song would still have a million and thirty issues so it doesn't matter.
I never noticed any similarities I don't like ALITS much but it doesn't have similarities with Victimized. Also, the songs are so different. (length, atmosphere etc)
How do you know? And just to be clear --> I don't think the guitar riff is too similar(which was proved in Astat's post) I am just saying since MANY people have noticed similarities between the Victimized riff(compared to the one in ALITS) and the GATS Chorus(compared to the chorus in ALITS), the band probably heard some similarities as well. Which is fine because ALITS was supposed to round up the "visceral" journey - and Mike even said that the song showcases "everything the band can do".
ZICTIMIZE ZICTIMIZE NEVER LOOK AT ZICTIMIZE In other words: VICTIMISED VICTIMISED NEVER AGAIN VICTIMISED