The Walking Dead

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  1. ernieball003

    ernieball003 Well-Known Member

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    At least they did a good job with Morgan. Rumor has it he's returning in 312.

    I think they just need time to flesh out Michonne. Her spending time with Honey Badger Rick should present some time to open up a bit more.
     
  2. Jesse

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    Spoiler for ep12 Morgan is indeed coming back. He's crazy too.
     
  3. lime treacle

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    Started reading the comics in PDF. Read issues #1 to #3 so far.

    They're okay, but I noticed right away how they lack depth in comparison to the show.
     
  4. ernieball003

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    Invisy reply to spoiler. Comic stuff will be mentioned as well, so comic spoilers and TV theories.

    Well, he was crazy when they found him again in the comic. He's probably lost it do to losing Duane, his son. And I'm thinking reconnecting with Morgan will help Rick get back on track with him being Rick Grimes and not the Ricktator, seeing how Morgan is when he's lost his shit. And it'll be interesting to see if Michonne and Morgan hook up since I doubt that they're going to flesh out the Michonne/Tyreese romance since they're not really fleshing out anything that's Tyreese...

    If they do the same shit to Abraham...


    Yeah. And the further you get in the more you'll notice how things change. And then by the time you get past the prison you'll realize how much they stretched the material for Season 2 and condensed Season 3.

    The first season is the first trade paper back. The second season is the second trade. The third season takes material coming from the next six.
     
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  5. travz21

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    All this show does is beat around the bush and stretch out every single detail. Michonne is one of the only good characters I think. She's blunt and gets things done. She keeps most things to herself because the rest of the group is too pussy or stupid to do anything. Just like when she finally told Andrea who the Governor really was. Andrea won't do shit and is still an idiot.

    I think Carl is turning into a good character. Daryl and Merle are decently written. Everyone else sits there with their thumbs up their asses crying about lame ass drama. Move the story along for fuck's sake. Every season has had the worst pacing I've ever seen from a tv series. I feel the only reason it's so popular is because the premise is great and the potential is there. It just constantly disappoints. You could seriously explain each season in a couple words. That's how bare the story is. It's 90% filler.
     
  6. hawk

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    5 Take Aways From The Walking Dead PaleyFest Panel via IGN.com

    Possible spoilers.

    1. Rick’s going to get a “wake-up call.” For a moment, it looked as though the show really was moving away from the “Rick the leader” model. But we shouldn't be too prepared for the end of his reign. "To be called out by your son is pretty tough at the best of times (although my son is three and he calls me out many times) but it's a bit of a moment where he realizes he has to step up," Andrew Lincoln said. Adding that, “Something happens this episode this weekend that holds a mirror up to Rick... and starts to realize he has to come back from his wounds." The actor feels that what Rick has been going through is actually a fairly common phenomena for someone experiencing deep grief. “He’s been making some terrible calls,” he said, adding, “well let’s be honest, he’s always made terrible calls.” It looks as though, for now, it will continue to be the era of the Ricktatorship, though his confrontation with the Governor may alter his leadership style somewhat.

    2. Daryl’s not interested in being the leader. Norman Reedus, as expected, inspired the most enthusiastic response from the audience, but as much as many fans would like to see Daryl take up the leadership mantel, Reedus does not believe that’s his purpose in the group. “I don’t think he wants to look you in the face and tell you it’s going to be okay and how things are going to be done,” the actor said. Reedus feels that Daryl is more of a man of action, and few words. He feels that Rick is the brother Merle couldn’t be for him, and is as such loyal to him. Though he hasn’t entirely abandoned his blood-brother yet. "He knows there's good in his brother, but then again he's tried to kill half the people up on stage. I think he hopes," Reedus said. Though he does content that this catastrophe has brought out a side to him he never knew existed. A side that threatens Merle. “Daryl's becoming the man he never would have become if this tragedy didn't happen and having people rely on him for the first time is sorta giving him a sense of self-worth and that's something that I think makes his brother a little jealous, something his brother wants that he's never going to get."

    3. It looks as though Carl will be coming more and more into the forefront. This Sunday’s episode is a big one for Carl, and as producer Gale Anne Hurd said, it will no longer be “Carl, where’s Carl?” Throughout the panel it began to feel clear that the show, like the comic, may be moving towards Carl as the natural next leader of this group of survivors. “Carl is one of my favorite aspects of the comics and the show,” Kirkman said. "Watching this kid grow and change and evolve the way that he has and go from this kid who's almost a burden to this kid who's now a child soldier is just this really cool exploration of the world of The Walking Dead." Adding, There’s a lot of cool stuff ahead for him.” We shall see what Season 3 brings, though.

    4. The comic is the comic, the show is the show, the game is the game. Kirkman said that he enjoyed having some characters that exist only in their particular iteration of the story, Daryl on the show, for example. He feels that the TV audience even partially being able to guess where things are going to go would be a detriment. He didn’t rule out the possibility of some crossover, saying, “you never know,” though. The writer added that the space between writing the comic and working on the show allowed him to say, “Hey, this thing I wrote six years ago sucked, let’s do something better.”

    5. Everyone knows that everyone hates Andrea – including Andrea. For a time it felt as though there should be a portion of the panel entitled “in defense of Andrea.” It seems that all of the players are aware of the audiences' response to the character and her choices, perhaps none more so than Laurie Holden herself. As to the complaints, the actress said, "I get it daily. I get it at the gas station. I get it at the Coffee Bean. Walking down the street. I get it at airport security... I get it all day.” Adding "I am protective of Andrea." Holden said that she views Andrea as that very good friend with terrible taste in men. “When she goes back and she sleeps with him (the Governor), it's not because she's having a weak female moment and thinks he's handsome,” she was quick to clarity. “She really thought that she could follow through with Carol's plan... I think that Andrea thought that she could do, tried to do it and I think sleeping with her disgusted him and I think that she woke up and it's one thing to kill someone in self-defense and another to stand over someone as they're sleeping in cold blood. Andrea's never killed a human being before. You can call that weak, or you can call that strong.” We leave that to you, reader.
     
  7. lime treacle

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    ^ Interesting read.

    Today's episode seemed great from the sneak peek at the end of the last episode, I can't wait to watch it tomorrow.
     
  8. travz21

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    They managed to turn a non-filler episode into a filler episode.
     
  9. Joe

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    Best episode in fucking ages.
     
  10. lime treacle

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    Great episode indeed.

    I like how we got an Andrea-free episode after an Andrea-centered one. :lol:
     
  11. hybridsoldier1989

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    Andrea needs to die! Amirite? Everybody thought Laurie was annoying, Andrea has always been far worse. And now she's just intolerable.
     
  12. lime treacle

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    It's Lori. :lol:

    You confused me at first because Laurie is the name of the actress who plays Andrea.
     
  13. ChuckCheese

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    I actually really, really enjoyed that episode. Maybe we'll see Morgan again?
     
  14. Jesse

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    It wasn't a bad episode but Rick is a dumbass.

    Why not just bring the people at the prison to Kings County where there's already tons of boobytraps and protection against foes?
    Or why not get Morgan to help make those traps for use at the prison?

    Rick is like "Oh, this place that is quite a distance away and dangerous to our enemies, let's just leave!"

    idiot. :lol:
     
  15. Jack_Farrell

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    This. Best episode in the entire fucking 2 last seasons, shit. At least Carl didn't fuck shit up like always.
     
  16. hawk

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    Much better episode for sure.
     
  17. lime treacle

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    He would have if it wasn't for Michonne.
     
  18. ChuckCheese

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    That was THE worst episode this show has ever aired. Wow. Terrible. And the whole "two days to decide" thing? Good to know we have two more episodes of boring filler. This was a huge disappointment after how good last week's episode was.

    This latter half of this season hasn't gone too well. A big problem is the Governor. There's no ambiguity surrounding his character. I feel no empathy. There's no sympathy for the town or him. It's just stupid, they have moments where I guess we're supposed to feel for him, but anybody with half a brain knows that what he says is BS or doesn't actually matter to him (ex. the story about his wife from tonight's episode). Kill him, kill the townspeople, burn the town down, kill Andrea (or have her kill the Governor), bring Morgan on as a supporting character, leave the prison and start fresh.
     
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    This.
     
  20. travz21

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    [rant]

    Got about 2 minutes of story progression in a 43-minute show. Pretty standard for The Walking Dead.

    What's so bad about this season is that the scope is so small and yet the scenario is so boring. We're stuck in a couple mile radius again and the going-to-war-with-your-neighbors storyline has been done millions of times before, so it better be damn interesting if you're going to go that route. It's not.

    It's like if Lost stayed on the same tiny section of beach for 3 seasons while never venturing out into the rest of the island to explore the weirdness that's going on around them. The shit that's being shown on the beach better have great character development and other things to keep you engaged. If it's not engaging enough, the viewer will just be wondering what the rest of the island holds.

    This is why scope is important. If you're not going to make an interesting story and the scope is small, viewers will get tired of seeing the same setting and having the characters do the same thing over and over. Plus the story will never move along. Lost wouldn't have gone anywhere if they stayed on the beach until the finale. But they built a very solid and interesting backstory early on for the characters while the scope was small, and then they upped the scope for those already intriguing characters to grow even more in. The whole story blossomed and you never feel confined. And even if the characters suck, at least upping the scope gives the viewer more things to distract themselves with.


    This is where The Walking Dead is struggling. We've been so confined with these characters that haven't been developed, that we know nothing about, and that we have nothing invested in that it's now tiresome to watch. The whole world is a mystery and we're stuck in a little town with characters that nobody cares about. Why?

    Why are these mofo writers not exploring more of this world they've set up for us? What is the resolution to this story? At some point things are going to have to escalate and things are going to have to happen. The only good part of the series has been when they went to the CDC. The series should have kept exploring that side of things because the characters were already being developed a bit and the CDC upped the scope and piqued our interests. Then after that we got stuck on a farm and now a prison and totally regressed story-wise and scope-wise.

    It's like having a girlfriend give you a handjob on a first date and then nothing but cuddling and chick flicks for the next couple months.

    [/rant]


    Edit: And it's not that these ideas for the farm and prison are terrible, it's that they have been drawn out beyond belief. After the CDC blew up, they could have encountered the farm and prison and spent like 5 episodes total on those storylines and then moved on to bigger, better, and more interesting things while on the journey to find answers and a solution to the story. We could have experienced Herschel and The Governor and each of their conflicts without needlessly shacking up and settling down for 2 seasons.
     
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