...and since when does screaming make a song good? Matt Heafy has a great voice and he should display that rather than throw it away so he can scream all the time. The music can be just as heavy without screaming.
Look at bands like Metallica and Megadeth. No matter how heavy or fast they get there's almost always some sort of vocal melody or singing.
I was tired when I made my post, so I'll try to elaborate more. There's no doubt that Trivium's got talent beyond the screaming. It's just a shock (at least to me) that they'd tone it down all together. I would think they would at least play their older stuff as how it was recorded than switch it up and have the back-up vocals doing all the screaming. One thing I liked about "Pull Harder..." was how they bounced the chorus from the lead to the backing, it was just fun to hear. Like I said, I'm not letting the lack of screaming justify my opinion on the album as I have only heard one song, I'm just trying to say I was disappointed that there is that lacking element. I loved to scream along to Trivium stuff, now I might need to take some vocal lessons so I'll be able to sing along to The Crusade...
No matter what people think of the vocals on The Crusade, the music is going to own everything Trivium's done up to this point in their careers.
I don't mind the shouting/screaming/grunting on the current albums, but I have to say I prefer the singing.
Same here. I mean, screaming sometimes adds to music to give it more of an edge but I can't stand listening to bands that scream all the time anymore. I used to but I just grew out of it. It just seems senseless.
Let me put it to you all this way: Would any of you would have liked Ascendancy as much as you do if there was no screaming on it? I don't think so.
To be honest, the "Pull, Harder, Strings, Martyr" part is what drew me in (first song I head from them); the solo(s) that followed were what kept me around. I liked that heaviness they used, it just slammed you with the vocals, and then hit you again with the solos and overall instrumentation made it work. To me, without the screaming, there's a lacking "hard-hitting" element from the original Trivium formula. I wouldn't have given Trivium a second listen if it were all singing, honestly. I'm so tired of hearing that type of stuff. Hopefully I won't have to treat Trivium as I do Dragonforce (praise their instrumentation and try to ignore the vocals). I like my metal to have some balls.
There doesn't need to be screaming in metal for it to have balls. I mean, look at Simple Plan. ... That was uncalled for.
Well, I just read something on the TriviumWorld forums about a Corey's response to the criticism against their new approach (don't know if it's official as I'm too lazy to dig around for the original), and apparently Trivium's reason for this change is simply they've never wanted to do screaming in the first place. That's a bit weird, don't you think? It's like a middle finger to the fanbase. I don't understand what it's supposed to mean. Was Trivium rushed into the spotlight? Reading that made me feel a bit betrayed or foolish. I'm not saying I'm against The Crusade's new approach, but getting rid of screaming all together (including Ascendancy work) and dissing it is pushing the envelope for me. I'll always respect Trivium, but c'mon... How can you put yourself in a genre you have no passion for, then turn on the fans and basically show us the door, telling us a strong aspect of your success "sucks"? I don't know, I'm hoping the quote is either false, or... The guy was just talking out of his ass, but it seems a bit disrespectful of him to just lay it out like that. Meh. edit: I found it, but to view it, you have to be a member of the forums. I don't know for sure if it's Corey, but the members treat his post as legit, so I'm thinking it's really him. http://www.trivium.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=6800&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60 Look for Coreyb1122's post.
^If that's true then I've already lost a great deal of respect for Trivium. It's like you said, it's basicly a huge middle finger to the fanbase. When I went to see Trivium in London the entire venue was completly sold out, hell I've seen bands play there atleast 3 times and I've never seen it so damn packed out and why? Because all these fans loved Trivium's Acsendancy and Ember To Inferno style. I'm not overly worried about how The Crusade is gonna sound because it could sound quite decent, I dunno yet because I havn't heard enough of it, however if that quote is true then all I can say is screw all four of them for misleading all their fans over what their style was. In all honesty Matt's screaming voice is superior to his singing voice even though 'The End' and 'Dying In Your Arms' are pretty sick songs. And if the band think screaming 'sucks' then how comes every support band they've been on tour with has been a screamo-metal band like God Forbid, Bloodsimple etc. I think it's utter disrespect to fans and bands alike if that quote turns out to be true.
I think you're all blowing this way out of proportion. Bands evolve. Also, just because those bands support Trivium doesn't mean they listen to them. They have to have bands support them that are similar in style. You'll never see Trivium tour with the Academy is...
Evolution is one thing, but to basically say the genre/style that gave you your fan base "sucks" is not evolving. It's disrespectful. That's what I'm upset about. I'm not upset they're changing; I'm upset the guy has the nerve to insult what brought the fame to Trivium. Whether or not it was the screaming or the instrumentation, it's an element that played to their success so far. It was unprofessional and just wasn't necessary in my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, double post. But Metal Hammer just posted an interview with Corey and he talks about Trivium's decisions to change their style. http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/metal_hammer_tv/player/?type=MOV&id=44400&bw= I was going to write a long rant on how Corey is so two-faced in that interview, but I'll reserve my judgments for now. The interview does solidify Trivium didn't want to scream to begin with. Shame. They say it's because Heafy lost his voice that they're changing. That's a weak reason. If he's been singing since sixteen, losing his voice is part of the process. If you moderate responsibly, when your voice returns, it should be better than before. Every time I lost my voice singing metal, when it returned, it was better than before. Anyways, I'm still going to pick up The Crusade. I won't be picking it up with the same excitement I did with Ascendancy or Ember To Inferno, but oh well. Maybe they'll blow me away with the instrumentation and I'll forget Corey's comments all together. Oh, and I think Trivium's continuous obsession with trying to follow in Metallica's footsteps is getting a little too... obsessive for my taste. Think for yourselves, Trivium! Have your idols, but don't let them justify your decisions. :\
amen. why is everyone crying over this? Trivium will still kick ass with their next album. everyone's gotta grow up eventually, ya know
Damn, I wish corey didn't come off like such a moron in some parts of that interview. *edit* After watching the rest of the interview, I would suggest their agent never let him interview again.
I don't think that interview Corey made was all that bad.. he made some good points, though there were some shit ones too. but look, point is guys, why hate on a band because its members are shitheads? Isn't it meant to be about music? Personaly, i hate Lars Ulrich from Metallica, plus i'm not too fond as James Hetfield as people, but that doesn't stop Metallica being one of my all time favourite bands. If members of a band annoy you, simply don't read or listen to their interveiws. But anyway, back on topic. Regardless of what they say i think this is that album that will make or break Trivium. It proves if they're here to stay or if they'll just fade away like everyone else does these days.