I'm pretty sure this thread isn't for my hatred of religion and that ranting about it wouldn't be the most kind thing to do. I just think that all religions are hypocritical. And me forming my opinion of the burqa based on my opinions of religion wouldn't be quite fair. But I have stated that for 1. I do think it oppresses woman 2. What's wrong with showing skin anyway? 3. I have no problem with sexuality or nature (I generally believe it should be people's choice what they should choose/not choose to wear because it doesn't harm anyone) 4. It is easier to get away while you're completely hidden But I've also stated that 5. I think it's pretty stupid that banning something JUST BECAUSE it will make it easier to rob someone. There are tons of things that you can do that with. Halloween costumes, skimasks, du-rags , etc.. Also, I think it's stupid that where I live in VA that it's illegal for an adult to wear any type of mask in public. Also, watch the video I've posted. It's really interesting.
Virginia. State in the USA I don't think it contradicts one or two because for woman it's not just a choice it is enforced. IF it was all by choice I'd have absolutely no problem with it. I wouldn't understand why you'd wanna wear it but I wouldn't get into a fit about it either. That's the difference between choice, most women wear it out of fear, or because they're just brainwashed into thinking they want to wear it. It oppresses woman, it's plain and simple. There's a difference between wearing it because you want to, or wearing it because there's a say so.
The implication of a Burqa possibly being used to conceal a weapon or a bomb or hide someones face isn't a valid argument. To my knowledge, No attack on the West has been carried out by a women or anyone wearing a Burqa. September 11th was a hijack and the Madrid bombing in 2004 aswell as the 2005 London bombings were bombs hidden in backpacks. Should we then ban any Muslim person from owning a backpack in the interest of national security? The whole idea that they could conceal a weapon or that they wear the veils to hide their face for the purpose of comitting crimes is nothing more than personal disregard of Islam. You can conceal a weapon in anything.
Not in countries like Australia wear you don't HAVE to wear headgear to symbolise Islam. I have loads of friends who choose not to wear it and they don't wear anything, doesn't make them anti-Muslim. Thank you. And I hate to say it but it this whole attack is indeed an attack on Islam and it's ways, seeing that Burqa is of Islamic tradition and lifestyle. If someone wear to take a bill against my trackies and said I couldn't wear them thinking I'll conceal a weapon or use it as a means to shoplift, I would be pissed, as it was my choice to wear the trackies that don't cover up my whole body, yes I know what this original debate was about, but cover up my legs. You think of why when you enter a shop, you automatically give the right to the shop owners to inspect your bags (I get targeted a lot with a pram by staff).
I was more talking about national security from the point of view of the french government, suicide attacks could easily happen this way, even if it didn't happen yet (here), isn't it better to prevent than to wait and see? They have a point. YES, I know that the thing exists since a loooong time and nothing happened yet, but I rather see it dissapearing, I just think the whole thing is disrespectful to humankind.
You think now because of the escalated Jihad, every Burqa wearer is going to become a suicide bomber? That's judging the minority over the majority of law-abiding Muslims out there. Muslims think you showing your legs as a woman is disrespectful to humankind, but to us it's not. Yes I've heard of cases that in a suicide bombing a Burqa was involved, and I've also heard about how prescribed over the counter medicines can cause overdoses. Both were used the inappropiate way.
OMG READ!! I am talking from the point of view of the french government. -_- I don't care if they wear burqas in a muslim country, but in other countries, my country, you need to adapt yourself. You can still practice your religion at home for all I care, it's all your own choice, but outside your home you need to respect the law, which in this case (here in france) means you are not allowed to wear it in public because it may cause panic among the people.
The French government can shove it up their A hole (no offence intended). They haven't discussed the repurcussions it might have for future generations. Is this the right message we wanna teach our kids? To hate other cultures and not accept them into our country cos we're afraid that they will find ways to bomb us? Cos by suppressing women from their cultural clothing, is the sort of government suppression I really don't like. "Burqa suppresses women" so what is the government doing then if it isn't doing the same thing that the Burqa is doing? I sure as eggs don't I wanna teach my kid that. I want her to be multiculturally diverse as possible. I've been to India, I have learnt their language and still they accepted my mum and my western ways, I wore western clothes all the time, etc. Surely they don't agree with half the things we did. Australia, France, America etc are free countries, not dictatorships, not communist countries telling people what not to wear. If you want to be told What Not To Wear go on that British tv show by the same name. It's political correctness gone way too far. And the man who is going before senate to introduce this bill? Is the leader of a Christian party.
Bah bravo, I'm sure you're feeling pretty lucky not living in France. Andl the cultural experience you have!! Wow. Give me a break. <.<
I'm just saying the French President (Name? I completely forget) has been in other countries and probably lived to his own customs. And yet when a Muslim comes into a country, everything's suddenly chaotic because of their outspoken and media razzled customs and a few Burqa related crimes? It happens here to Marj so don't feel too picked on lol. i.e. the Muslim school that was built. It's okay to have an all Catholic (trust me been to one hated it) school but suddenly it's a big deal with Islamic school? Pfft. That's racial bullying. Like I said to my other half today that was whinging about Muslims this evening (this whole debate came outta that argument) why is it always the Muslims that get the bad press? Seriously. Sometimes I understand sometimes I don't.
Yeah, it's certainly a valid issue, but their reasoning behind the ban is tenuous at best. Personally, I think burqas are fucking stupid, but that's beside the point.
Nicolas Sarkozy. I understand where you're coming from Sarah, and maybe it's me who's hard-headed, but I still think that a country should protect their own culture. Careful, I'm not saying we should kick out all muslims, but it's annoing to see that other cultures are slowly taking over. Actually in France it's still okay, it's Holland that pisses me off the most. We have too many people living there, still we keep accepting more and more, and guess who has to wait for years to get an apartment and who gets one immediately? Isn't that racism towards your own people? A country can be too civil towards immigrants, that's how you get people angry and how right wing parties seem to gain popularity.
EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS! This is nothing but yet another jab at Islam. One dude decides to wear a burqa and commit a crime... well let's just ban the damn thing and disregard a whole religion's beliefs and ideologies. That makes so much sense.
My sentiments EXACTLY. I'm so glad I got off that ship awhile ago. I was riding a high horse and I didn't even know it.
No point shifting the blame to religion. Blame the people who do sick politics in the name of religion.
Now that I'm on a computer and a phone, I'll type up a couple replies to posts that piqued my interest. Technically, the religious texts of all the religions apply to everyone, and those that don't follow it are heathens and damned to hell and whatnot. And if you think only Islam tells non-Muslims what to do, I invite you to come to the US, where we have groups such as God Hates Fags, a Christian extremist group that goes around protesting funerals of notable gay people or gay rights activists, and protesting funerals of soldiers killed in the line of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan because they think that God killed American soldiers as punishment for America not outlawing homosexuality. And look no further than our very own House of Representatives and Senate for examples of Christians trying to turn their beliefs into law that would affect every single American regardless of their religion. That's why gay marriage isn't legal in 40-something states and more and more restrictions are being placed on abortion. Because of religious telling non-religious what to do. It's not a unique trait of Islam. The thing is though, if a suicide bomber can't hide the bomb in the burqa, they'll hide it somewhere else. In 2001, someone tried to blow up a plane with a shoe in their bomb. So airport security started X-raying shoes. Then in 2009 someone tried to blow up a plane with a bomb taped to their nutsack. So now they're installing whole-body-imaging scanners (X-rays that basically see through your clothes). So if someone defeats that, do we just require everyone to fly naked? Then someone will just hide the bomb up their ass. If someone wants to blow something up, they'll do it, burqa or no burqa.