Warning: Long Post Keaton did this as a warning. So I might as well warn you all as well. You are very right. I appreciate you for mentioning that. What caught my attention was when you mentioned about your friend. You see, you are right, however, about how people could see a school counciler about suicide and/or seek a doctor for help. But I know a psychiatrist and he says this. When people see suicide, they automatically think of anti-depressants. A doctor sees a depressed boy or girl. Bam. Anti-depressants. Now, for most of the time, these anti-depressants usually work. But only for the time they are being used. The solid odd out of this world thing is that...12 year old children are on these pills. Doctors are out of their minds. You can't put a kid on that powerful of a drug. It'll kill them. Afterwards, after they are finished with that prescription, there is a chance of immediate depression...again. If you have not heard on the news, anti-depressants are being looked over due to the fact that anti-depressant takers can actually become more depressed and more suicidal. Anti-depressants are a big risk. But I'll say, myself, that it possibly could have saved your friends life. And yes, of course people wouldn't have expected. A lot of people didn't figure about my depression until one day, I didn't talk to anybody. It scared a lot of people. How well people hide their feelings is strange. I respect you for how you dug yourself out of that hole. Not a lot of people do that. Somehow...I feel that adrenaline isn't the case here. Adrenaline, is of course, what makes you anxious, what kicks in from fear. It actually reduces pain...if you are not aware. If you are in a car accident, if you break a leg, your adrenaline will kick in and it won't hurt as much. Somehow, as important as adrenaline may be to the body, I don't understand the point of how it motivates suicide. Suicide is merely a state of mind. Some people think that it's a phase in a teenagers life which will eventually just fall off when you get older. Suicide is also a result of a chemical imbalance. There are a lot of causes. And depression isn't necessarily all science. It's merely from your viewpoint of life. I don't like life. For Christ's sake, my parents don't trust me for shit. A majority of you would say they are just trying to protect me. How can they protect me if they're not letting me be eager enough to learn about life? They think I know so little. Having parents who can't trust you just saddens you so much. It saddened me a hell of a lot. To this day, they can't look at me without thinking, "Is he depressed? Is he upset? Is something wrong with him?" They are literally paranoid over nothing. I despise that. I had a girlfriend who cut herself and always came to me with her problems. It ticked me off even though I had to help her. She was 2 years older than me too. I have two friends, who are girls, who claim to not cut themselves anymore...when you can plainly see newer scars on their arms and wrists every single day. I have to deal with them coming to me, and me seeing those scars. I hate it. I despise it. I have to live in such a confined world, where nothing seems to go right for me at all. I sometimes think to myself, "Hey, things might look up for you. You never know. A lot of things happen." It seems that everyday, nothing ever leads to such a result. Everyday, something bad happens. Every night, I try to avoid suicidal thoughts but they don't seem to just disappear from my mind like questions for a teacher. It's always there. It just seems that suicide is such a big issue for me. I hear the word and I become depressed. You might wonder why I even made such a post if it mentions "Suicide" so much. I made it for possible help and togetherness. The thing is I don't hate life. I hate moments. I have good moments, when me and my friends laugh over something hilariously funny and somehow we feel like we're going to die laughing. And there are other good moments when we win a game and we are happy as can be. But you can't deny bad moments. I can't deny the fact that everyday, me and my parents have an argument which keeps a grudge between us for the next 24 hours. I can't deny parents who don't consider me trustworthy. I can't deny the fact that every single day, people make fun of me and tease me and disrespect me. I try to help people so much because of redemption. I was a mean kid in Elementary school. I'm trying to make a fucking effort to turn my life around. But you know, some people just don't know that, and they make it a point in life to just put people down. I'm one of the victims. Always have been, and always will be. I don't understand, also, how you can say that suicide is just saying that the person is a coward? Suicide may be just some way of giving up. But think about it...what are they giving up? They're giving up what they think is hell. They think it's right. Now, people know their morals. But you can't deny someone's morals in their mind. It's not like a math problem, where there may just be one answer, and that only answer is right and everything else is wrong. People think suicide is a right option if they think that nothing could help them. There are people who do seek help, but still commit suicide. I know kids like that. Recently, two kids committed suicide. One from one high school in the area, and the other from another high school. It was mentioned that both seeked help. What'd they do? They still though that suicide was a well-thought out option. Your point of view is partly correct, but you can't tell someone who knows their own morals that they are wrong. It's hard to convince someone out of suicide. Unless you want to go into the drugging issue again. All I'm saying is, you're absolutely right. And I might be wrong because, of course, you knew how it felt. But the thing is, since you're happier now, you're looking at things from both an inside and outside perspective. Somethings just aren't completely correct. Emotions are different from outside-looking-in speculations. I do not appreciate that comment. How can you say that suicidal people are the coolest. You are definitely anti-life. You're just disrespecting the thread. Suicide is not a "cool" issue. Anyway, so I think I've made my point. But one more thing. You see...emotion is so unpredictable...you can't just say how cowardliness is involved with suicide all of the time...or how giving up is just what suicide is. People have different thoughts. All of you...think about it. I would like to thank...again...all of those who have responded to this thread. I think this is letting out what some of us have been keeping in for a long time.