Exactly! What do they expect them to do, take him down with some Judo move or something? Their fucking security guards! Has anyone ever tried to hold down someone who doesn't want to be held down (anybody who's dealt with drunks)? It's easier said then done to say the least.
ditto. and if they would have beat him senseless with nightsticks, they would be saying "they should have tazed him, the injuries would be less permanent!"
Plain and simple, the more I think about it the guy was being out of control and if you see how he was kicking and swinging you would've felt he was a threat as well. I've watched the video several times and now believe he was out of control. Still, the fact 2 of the security guards have already been fired..it should give you an idea that the situation is being handled. Listen to Todd, He knows a thing or two about rent a cops, as St. Louis is the rent-a-cop capital of the world. There was a huge brawl that happened there at a girl's basketball tournament back in the late 90's because some referee hit a woman in the face, and it caused the seats to empty as everyone went after the guy for hitting her. The rent-a-cops did nothing, and tried to arrest my mom/family for inciting a riot..since the seats subsequently emptied as a result when everyone tried to basically kill the ref for hitting her. By the way...this woman? Was my fucking mom.
We could start an entire thread of anecdotal and newsworthy injustices that have been done by law-enforcement officials in the U.S. On the same token, though, this is one of the rare instances I think it was justified. It's easy for us to be arm-chair commandos and talk about how we could have done it better, but we weren't there. Those security guards made their decision and warned the man, yet he still wouldn't let down. In the end, nobody was seriously hurt, so I think we should just say what's done is done. *rant over*
It's just...we went years and years without tazers...I would think that 7 or so cops could bring one guy outside. Also, if Kerry told them to let him stay, why the hell didn't the cops listen? It seems ridiculous.
Exactly. As I said before, it's astounding that it went to those lengths to subdue the situation when there were around a dozen cops.
I'm with you on that too. One guy doesn't pose a threat to 7 or more trained policemen, even if they were campuspolice...
So I'm guessing all of you have tried to subdue a man before? Like I said before, it's easy to say something can be done, but believe it or not, one man CAN pose a threat to seven people if said people don't know what their doing. For the record, most of the people who have died from tasers were either children, elderly, or people with bad health.
You're saying 7 or more armed policemen, who are trained to handle these types of situations, can't control one student who wasn't even fighting back? Then I don't even see the point of having them there in the first place, if they can't control anything without having to hurt people. Because seriously, I see a student holding his hands up to show he isn't trying to harm the officers. Obviously, he made a mistake by struggling but then again who wouldn't if those policemen are giving you such a rough handling.
They were only trying to escort him out of the building when he CLEARLY broke the rules. Letting some douche stand up and ask as many questions as he wants, when everybody else only gets one, excuse me if I have no sympathy for the guy. As far as them being trained to do so. Their campus cops! The way they are trained to subdue people is by tasering them. Their not real cops who are trained with a myriad of weapons and situation. My father was a campus cop in his youth (boy did he fucking hate that job) so I'm not ignorant to the subject, mind you. It just baffles me that of all the bullshit going on in the world, young people get rilled up over some overreacting prick who gets tasered for being an ass.
No... that's really the opposite of what I'm saying. This is just turning into an endless discussion. I made this thread to point out what had happened, as a report of the news, and I thought it was pretty shocking so I wanted people to know about it. Obviously, opinions will differ.
Resisting arrest with violence? What the fuck? I didn't see anything violent in what he was doing. I saw him get wrestling to the floor and tasered, but I'd say that that was more the police being violent. He wasn't kicking or fighting, he was shrugging the police off. It's not like he raised a fist or pulled out a weapon on them, unlike they did to him. I really hate the way there is a double standard for the amount of force the police can use and what we can get arrested for. If I had tasered someone for that much of a reason I'm very certain that, in America at least, I would be thrown into prison and given a hefty sentence. If the police do it however, they're completely justified.
There were just trying to get him out of the building and he was making a escorting out to be like the police were trying to kill him (which he actually said later on). This video doesn't show the whole event transpire. The reason they had him pinned to the ground is because he kept running away from them. They warned him that if he didn't stop they were going to taser him. I don't know about you, but if a cop said that to me I would shut my fucking mouth and get a lawyer. This guy, imo, was intentionally trying to make a scene and he got what he deserved for being a jackoff. Maybe that's just me, though.
He was also kicking and swinging as the cops tried to grab him. I'd say that's violence people. After seeing a longer version (i.e. NOT the video posted here) my viewpoint has changed dramatically.
This a USA vs Europe thing Although the Dutch police come with 10 people for a drunk person but they dont taser him.
Maybe I need to see the whole video to form a better opinion of the situation. I can see that the kid did go over the top but from what I've seen, the police tasered him for no reason and he was being escorted out for a ridiculous reason as well. If I was him, I'd be pissed off. I know what police are like in the UK when things don't go their way though and I have, on occasion, retaliated to how they act. This said, I shall never believe that there was justification for tasering the guy. He was well outnumbered and no matter if they are the actual police or school police, they will have had training in how to deal with a situation where someone isn't too fond of being arrested. I'm also going to suggest that tasering someone after wrestling them to the floor isn't one of the first few options. Anyway, I'm less interested in if he should have been tasered or not compared to whether he should have been removed/arrested in the first place. Hah, all this fuss over some kid who took too long on a question and asked what a lot of people were thinking. No wonder no one asks the questions we all want answers to anymore.
This is the other angle that shows him fighting the police. Warning, VERY graphic as it shows the WHOLE tazering. He shoves and kicks and pushes at the police as they're pulling him away. Hence the resisting with violence: [youtube]iqAVvlyVbag[/youtube]