should we go to war?

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should we go to war?

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    Will

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    On the subject of oil...

    The United States right now has a surplus of its own oil supply but we don't use it. Why? Because in the future when all the oil from the Middle East is depleted every country is going to want to buy from the United States. Oil being bought from the U.S. means more money.

    On the subject of the war...

    I agree with it 100%. While I may not care about it too much, I think the U.S. is doing the right thing by removing Saddam Hussein from "office" in Iraq. He's constantly hurting his own people by testing his own weapons on them. What kind of leader does that? Given the chance I'm sure if Saddam was allowed to live in the U.S. he wouldn't hesitate to. Most people outside of the U.S. think it's such a bad country but they'd never be able to adapt to other countries' ways of living. It's as simple as that.

    @ LPFAN05

    The U.S. is not invading Iraq. An invasion is going in and taking over a country to add it to your empire, much like the Romans did. Much like the Japanese did. And much like Germany did. The U.S. does not want Iraq, we want the guy who's "in charge" of it gone so the Middle East, at least a part of it, can be at peace.

    I think I'm done.
     
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    well we have to take it for ourselves. We wont leave Iraq as an anarchy and a leader will need to be there, and seeing as how the only 2 countries involved are the US and Britain, Iraq's future leader will probably be from one of those 2 countries allowing us to do what we want with it. Basically, it will add to our empire
     
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    I agree 100% on war now.

    I used to be very anti-war, you can ask all my friends i HATED it.

    But after I learned about how saddam leaves his people to starve when he has 48 mansions of his own and kills millions of innocent people everyday, I think this b*stard deserves to be sent straight to hell. By not wanting war, you guys are supporting the mistreatment of many iraqi citizens.

    And for the last damn time. This is NOT about Oil. This is about Saddam Hussein not getting rid of his weapons when the UN asked him too and being a total pri*k.

    So we are going without UN approval. Not the first time we've done it.

    Saddam needs to be dead, and his regime brought down NOW. Not later, NOW. If you pay attention Bin Laden seems to be connected more to Iraq then most think, this is also a step in disposing of Bin Laden as well.

    Plus to all you anti Bush people,Bush is not an a**hole alright? He is ATTACKING terrorism by force. He wants a brighter tommorrow for the kids of the future and today. [/b][/quote]
    I cannot agree with that, Linkied Theory...

    First of all, President Bush IS after oil! My proof? If he wanted to take out Saddam all he'd have to do is assassinate him like the Chilean president back in the 70's. And why did he say to the Iraqi's in his address on Monday night:'Don't destroy your oil wells...'????

    You cannot say he is doing this in the name of terrorism or he would be focusing on capturing bin Laden. Also, Saddam Hussein has no proven connection with the Al-Queda network.

    Although Saddam Hussein is a killer and a dictator, the process of disarmament should have been peaceful and gradual to ensure the stability in the region. The weapons inspectors were making Saddam destroy his Al-Samoud missles and he destroyed about 35/100 he had and then Bush stopped the ultimatum. Why hasn't Bush let this come to pass? Because then he won't be able to control Iraq and its vast oil fields...And since they are going against the UN it is really an illegal war.

    Okay, this also isn't a war! This is a freakin' invasion! Iraq doesn't stand a chance, and they don't have near the military might as in the Gulf War...

    And this is scaring the rest of the world more than most Americans believe. Since the US has openly defied the UN when there was a peaceful option that didn't satisfy their personal agenda they can and will do it again. This is really scary that one country with the official backing of a couple of other nations can go against the world's largest peace organization comprising of most of the world??? The world is scared now that the US is becoming so self-centred that it will attack someone if it can get something out of it.

    Bush doesn't give a #### about your kids of the future. If he did he would be looking into solar power, nuclear fusion, wind power, and other alternative energy sources that doesn't pollute our world. What he wants is some more cash and lot's power, as is the adage of all businessmen, they work for short term gains and not for the future. And using force is ALWAYS the LAST option, and there was a peaceful solution to this....


    And do you think this will stop? No! They will eventually control lots of the Middle East and all the oil with it!

    These are my thoughts!

    PEACE is the way to go!
     
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    the thing is, the US has no business in there.

    for one, they have absolutely no proof Saddam Hussein has been making arms of mass destruction, and if they have they (the US government) haven't made it public.

    basically, the US thinks that just because they're so powerful, they can go into any country run by someone they don't like and say: leave or we will destroy you. i think it's unjust and unnecessary.

    the countries of the world don't need babysitters, disobeying the UN is not a good idea, there's no need for vigilantes. if the UN thinks it's a good idea to start helping Iraq and if the Iraqi people cry out and say "we need help" then by all means go in there and try to resolve the issue peacefully. no need to bomb the hell out of Iraq because there's 1 crazy person in the country.

    we can argue the technicality of the words i say, but you get the message i'm trying to put across. don't strip it down and shoot it down over techinicalities.
     
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    i agree 100%!
     
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    well we have to take it for ourselves. We wont leave Iraq as an anarchy and a leader will need to be there, and seeing as how the only 2 countries involved are the US and Britain, Iraq's future leader will probably be from one of those 2 countries allowing us to do what we want with it. Basically, it will add to our empire [/b][/quote]
    No, someone from one of those two countries won't go in and become the new leader of the country. We'll put one of our own men in there for a while until a responsible person who actually lives in Iraq and is an Iraqi takes his place. I think we did that with South Vietnam during the Vietnam War... We put one of our own men in charge for a while and then a South Vietnamese man took over the country like we wanted. Even though it didn't work out. Heh.
     
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    If that's the case then why doesn't the U.S. jump all over other countries? It's because Saddam Hussein is killing his own people and we're trying to stop that. If the U.S. thought the way you're saying then we'd be in every single country on the map's affairs, and that's just not true.
     
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    its not our problem to deal with if Saddam is mistreating his people. We aren't the babysitters of the world. We have our own problems here to deal with and its not worth the lives of our own men and women to be babysitters
     
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    If that's the case then why doesn't the U.S. jump all over other countries? It's because Saddam Hussein is killing his own people and we're trying to stop that. If the U.S. thought the way you're saying then we'd be in every single country on the map's affairs, and that's just not true. [/b][/quote]
    I don't think the US government should be bombing Iraq by endangering the lives of it's soldiers (and allies soldiers) and the lives of innocent people because Saddam kills his own people. We're only killing the people he would be killing, we're almost doing his job while he's hiding away.

    Bush thinks Iraq is a huge enemy to the United States, his dad did too. But why invade Iraq because of something that's happening in Iraq? Why don't they start bombing Iraq when they start becoming a threat to the United States? George Bush and his government (and earlier governments) always seem to have their nose in every single problem, maybe these are the things that lead to 9/11, because the US government was too busy figuring out other people's problems then to try and save themselves from attacks.
     
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    I don't know what you people are thinking, its not an invasion, he is allowed to do it jsut like he did to Afghanistan. Plus it has nothing to do with oil as most of the oil from the midle east comes from Kuwait. He is taking a jackass out of power. But yeah Bush should just sit back and wait until Saddam wanted to start WW3 with freakin nuclear weapons then we would see who was complaining. Wait until the US takes over Iraq and finds a bunch of biological and nuclear weapons then we will see what you are all saying.
     
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    Actually, doesn't most of our oil come from saudi arabia?
    this is straight from my textbook:

    saudia arabia has the largest reserves, nearly 260 billion barrels or about 35,000 barrels per person...
    outside the middle east, oil reserves...are concentrated in a few countries. countries with the most oil include, russia...venezuela...mexico...and libya and nigeria...these five countries and the middle east account for nearly 90% of the world's known oil reserve.


    i'm sorry, where's canada in here?
     
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    they went into Afghanistan because their government and terrorist groups were a threat to the US, they had proof then.

    but they have no proof that Iraq is a threat to the US, as of yet.
     
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    i'm sorry, why won't you stop coming back?

    canada has alot of oil, the US doesn't get much of it though.
     
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    Yah but if the US ever ran out of oile they could easily turn to Canada to find it.

    To whoever said that the US could easily have assinated Saddam. Where the hell did that come from, I think if they had the chance to assinate Saddam they would have but you see it is him and his followers that they want out. Even if they get rid of Saddam the next guy in is just are crazy as he is. Plus if it is easy just to assinate Saddam why didn't they just go and assinate Osama cause it is pretty damn hard to.

    Its pretty hard to show proof of the missles they have because they are hiding them all over iraq, and the UN is too freakin stupid to do a entire investiation. Why do you think at first saddam wouldn't even let them in cause they needed more time to hide their missles. Plus why did they all of a sudden have to start disarming these missles that they found that shoulsd have been destroyed after the gulf war. Saddam is an extremely smart person and he knows how to decieve people, just like Hitler did.

    Like i aid just wait a bit longer for the americans and british to get in there and we'll see what they all find that Saddam ahs been hiding.
     
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    i'm sorry, why won't you stop coming back?

    canada has alot of oil, the US doesn't get much of it though. [/b][/quote]
    the point is, canada doesn't have enough oil for the us and themselves. just admit i'm right. and i'll never stop coming back, by the way.
     
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    you're not right. you're a worthless #######
     
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    the point is, canada doesn't have enough oil for the us and themselves. just admit i'm right. and i'll never stop coming back, by the way. [/b][/quote]
    you stupid life-less loser, nobody likes you, you're annoying. and you're proving your immaturity by joining up numerous times.

    before you start yakking about Canada's policies and affairs, you should know the facts. Canada has alot of oil, yet we don't usemost of it ourselves, we export it and we get alot of it from the middle eastern countries like the USA. And actually, I'm pretty positive we could help sustain the USA's and Canada's needs for oil. Canada is the US's 3rd biggest supplier of oil, if you didn't know.
     
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    you stupid life-less loser, nobody likes you, you're annoying. and you're proving your immaturity by joining up numerous times.

    before you start yakking about Canada's policies and affairs, you should know the facts. Canada has alot of oil, yet we don't usemost of it ourselves, we export it and we get alot of it from the middle eastern countries like the USA. And actually, I'm pretty positive we could help sustain the USA's and Canada's needs for oil. Canada is the US's 3rd biggest supplier of oil, if you didn't know. [/b][/quote]
    Is he Bonethug? :huh:
     
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    Is he Bonethug? :huh: [/b][/quote]
    nope, he's Bonethug V2.0, aka "Jawknee"
     
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    Tone down the flaming guys.

    Im gonna keep this topic open tho, for the purpose of discussing the war.

    BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE. NO MORE TROUBLE.
     

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