if the little dot is multi-colored.. :whistle: It all really comes down to what you define music as. I think anything with something close to a beat is music. If you can make a beat by banging on a trashcan, it's music. I know people that have moshed to people banging on trashcans
Who hired the mainstream? If the music professor looks to MTV to forumlate an opinion on rap, hes already done something wrong.
You can't blame MTV. They're doing what they've always done: going with whats popular. early 90s = grunge late 90s = pop 00s = rap It's your fault if you just turn on MTV and judge rap based on the artists on that station. If you really want to judge rap, you should dig deeper into the underground. Don't blame MTV, blame yourself. It's your fault for not trying to look for better rap artists, not MTV's. They don't have to give you the very best in music. They give you what makes money. I don't know what I'm trying to say, really..
Oh thatll be simple, just say your own rapper name a lot, throw in some shizzles and something about a hoe and youll get a million dollars per minute.
Anyone can write a rap. I've ghost written for my friends who want to be rappers. Writing a rap song is different. You Need to know song structures, patterns etc. That's one of the main reasons I like 50 Cent. Even in his freestyles on mixtapes, he treats it as if it were a song on his album. He writes a hook to almost all of them. And he got it from two of the best: Jam Master Jay and Dr Dre.
That I agree. Sadly some people will only listen to whatever is played on the TV or the radio. My friends are always like, 'how did you find out about such-and-such band? I've never heard of them!' Kinda makes me think: "Maybe it's because I BOTHER to search for new music unlike you lot!" Anyway, why are we even discussing MTV? What's happened to the 'M' in 'MTV'? They prefer reality TV to music videos!
If people are curious to see how 6 strangers become room mates and live in a house for 3 months, or how two pop star spouses live their day-to-day, theres a market for it. And if there's a market, there's money to be made.
When is the last time that you heard a mainstream rock song about devils or whatever the hell you just said? No one ever said -- at least, not me -- that all rap is about "bling-bling" and other crap like that. Mainstream rap, however, is about that for the majority of the time. There are very few mainstream rap songs with an actual emotional meaning. You saying that rock is all about "devils" or whatever is being just as stereotypical as someone saying all rap is about "bling-bling." It's mainly the underground death metal (which, in fact, isn't Satanic all of the time) that will talk about killing people sometimes. I listen to a lot of underground metal and whatnot and if anyone can even understand what they're singing to start actually doing what they're singing about shouldn't be allowed to listen to music period. So, getting back to any kind of point I was trying to make: You are being just as stereotypical as the next person by saying rock is "screaming about devils" and rap is "rapping about 'bling-bling.'" *shrugs*
So Stomp isn't music? I know millions of people who would be offended by that. I know I said rap isn't music, and I'm taking it back after reading through this thread and whatnot, and I apologize to anyone I might've offended by saying that. But saying that banging on a trash can isn't music is like saying Stomp isn't music. And a dot on a blank canvas is a work of art and it's been made a work of art before. It's all how you perceive the art.
Rap is music, however, you can only push things to an extent. It's like how people say bands who only scream are not making music. We can't say what is and what is not music, but what we can say is what we believe. Judging by definitions and what we view on mainstream is only one way to really understand what we see and hear. The mainstream genre of rap these days is completely different from what it used to be. I'm not 100% sure of my rap history, but it was groups like the NWA and such that brought such generic ideas to the rap scene. I believe that the greatest rappers of this day are rappers like Eminem, because, and maybe it's because I like this style, he speaks about things people can relate to. To be perfectly honest, I dislike rap videos and what they say. Taunting the public with their success. All I see these days are men with large, silver jewelry we call "bling" and close-to-porn-nudity of women. It has no story and proves that us as people, especially women have no morals what-so-ever. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate rap music. To be honest, rap music lured me into the music world to begin with. And I, as a person who doesn't really look deeper than what he sees would love to see more rap artists who have meanings. Yes, I know that some just like to make the 'party' type songs, but you have a lot of that in techno and trance songs. I also turn on my TV or radio to only hear that the same beat has been used just modified to fit to the lyrics. From what I have heard in the older days and compare it to now days, the new age that rap has been brought into doesn't match what it was. Sure, rap came out as a real fun topic, but how far can one go until it is too far? I feel like how rock videos sometimes do, they want to push the element of shock, and by this, they incorporate these women to act as whores, or sluts. "What does this do to the youth?" is what I ask myself. Rap artists really take on a Marilyn Manson role, if you think about it. I call it a Marilyn Manson role, because these new age artists aren't afraid to tell you off or say something provokative, and the fans always follow. But yet it is always the pulsating influence that rock supposedly has that causes us to believe that rock is the true natrue to violence. But this is off the topic. Like I said before, I also believe that the rappers these days taunt people like myself. People like me do not really live any type of 'high' lifestyle, and to see these men, or women, parading their music like it's absolutely nothing but a money maker, although that may be the ulterior motive of many. I begin to dislike myself because these men/women pour millions of dollars of champane down a girl's bikini or throwing hundred dollar bills are the camera. It's like, why waste so much when people like me are in a suffering state. I'd also like to point one last thing out, and I know a lot may disagree. I see a lot of rap videos these days where they're very influential. Sometimes I'd see some kids in my school wearing one side of their pants above their knee, and the other is dragging below their shoe, then a few days later, I notice it is in a rap video. I think that since MTV, one of the most influential channels for teens today are playing these rap videos, rappers need to take a bit more responsibility with the things they portray, as many rock bands do... To my knowledge. If the mainstream of this and many years to come is going to be a rap craze, then we need to see that sex, drugs, and violence isn't promoted as much. If the censors want to get down on video games and T.V., why aren't they doing it for music as well? I know that the rap genre isn't supposed to be taken with all seriousness, but it is. Almost every guy in my school thinks he needs to 'come from the ghetto' and talk like he's about to kill someone to be cool, yet people like me seem to be the major threat to my school when all we do is try to obey the rules and be ourselves. Yes, these 'gansters' have threatened me, and I've even heard them use lines from rap songs, so I do believe influences have a big impact on our society and future. Mind any typos or grammar problems. I'm sick, and I did this all from the top of my head .
Yes I know it's all up to people's perception but my logic was that someone with no understanding of art whatsoever could sh*t on the pavement and call that a work of art when it's blatantly not. As for Stomp, I don't know who he is/they are so I really didn't set out to offend anyone. Sorry if I did.
Yes I know it's all up to people's perception but my logic was that someone with no understanding of art whatsoever could sh*t on the pavement and call that a work of art when it's blatantly not. As for Stomp, I don't know who he is/they are so I really didn't set out to offend anyone. Sorry if I did. [/b][/quote] http://www.stomponline.com/
Stomp is the greatest. If they come to your town you MUST see it. It's truly amazing. mu·sic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (myzk) n. The art of arranging sounds in time so as to produce a continuous, unified, and evocative composition, as through melody, harmony, rhythm, and timbre. Vocal or instrumental sounds possessing a degree of melody, harmony, or rhythm. A musical composition. The written or printed score for such a composition. Such scores considered as a group: We keep our music in a stack near the piano. A musical accompaniment. A particular category or kind of music. An aesthetically pleasing or harmonious sound or combination of sounds: the music of the wind in the pines. So I guess anything you hear can be music. I mean think about it... one person's voice can be annoying to some but "music to my ears". I think anything you can perceive can be art. Anthing that is, will happen, or was can be art. I'd like to thank everyone for replying to my thread. I hope I got some people to think. Oh and 50 Cent still sucks to me.
If music and art are defined by human perceptions, then whether banging on a trash can is music or not can be argued, and if I don't think it is, it's neither right nor wrong, but just an opinion.