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Todd · May 15, 2008

Derek said: ↑

GO OLBERMANN!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/14/olbermann-to-bush-this-wa_n_101831.html
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Haven't seen the video yet as I'm watching the entire episode (it's rerunning on MSNBC right now). This should be good though.

Chris. · May 15, 2008

http://upperplaygroundglobal.blogspot.com/2008/05/alex-pardee-x-obama-x-upper-playground.html I just found those cool posters designed by Alex Pardee (The Used, In Flames, Aiden) if anyone is interested. They look really good.

Will · May 15, 2008

Olbermann's speech was amazing. Holy cow.

Todd · May 15, 2008

Olbermann's special comment......HOLY SHIT!

And such an awesome picture:

Full video of the endorsement:
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Casual D · May 15, 2008

"My friend and your friend, Senator Hillary Clinton..."
*CROWD BOOS*

Oh my, not the reaction John Edwards anticipated .

Rachel · May 15, 2008

Derek said: ↑

GO OLBERMANN!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/14/olbermann-to-bush-this-wa_n_101831.html
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Holy...fucking...shit.

I'm surprised and speechless.

The Emptiness Machine · May 15, 2008

Wow OLBERMANN speach was .. incredible.

I'm touched.

And bush does need to shut the hell up.

Chris · May 15, 2008

I almost thought he was campaigning for Clinton in his speech.

Todd · May 15, 2008

Chris(tmas) said: ↑

I almost thought he was campaigning for Clinton in his speech.
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Uh.....what makes you think that?

Will · May 16, 2008

I don't see how he was "campaigning for Clinton" either.

Casual D · May 17, 2008

Well he was extremely pro-Clinton at first, so I can understand how to some it could've came off that way.

Todd · May 17, 2008

Derek said: ↑

Well he was extremely pro-Clinton at first, so I can understand how to some it could've came off that way.
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Nah not really. he always saw her as the old politics or whatever.

Casual D · May 19, 2008

Obama draws record crowd of 75,000+ plus in Oregon. Amount of people described as that of a 'small city':

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/stateupdates/gGBfJH

I think it's safe to say Oregon's in the bag.

Todd · May 19, 2008

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/18/20037/6285/661/518011

More photos there. Amazing!

Rachel · May 21, 2008

a quote from ets. because i can:

fouchnickens said:

Lalo said:

Gerry Ferraro hints in the NYT that she may not vote for Obama in the general because "she thinks he is sexist". First, I don't think Michelle Obama would marry anyone that is remotely sexist. Second, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, WHAT KIND OF FEMINIST ARE YOU GERRY??! sorry but that just pissed me off to read this morning. McCain has made it pretty clear in his statements that he will see to nominate supreme court judges that will work together to overturn Roe v Wade. We Feminists have long held our breath of such a danger. That having too many Republican presidential terms in a row could result in a slew of conservative appointments to the SCOTUS. With the complete likelihood that 2 SCOTUS will be retiring in the next 4 years and with the recent appointments of Alito and Roberts (joining Scalia and Thomas on the conservative side) we are at a real danger of having a Surpeme Court filled with enough judges to overturn that landmark decision without hesitation. This cannot happen. McCain cannot be elected President. and any self respecting feminist should be fighting for the democratic nominee with everything they've got. Sure Ferraro didn't say she was voting for McCain, but come on, I think we all know that a no vote for Obama is the same as a vote for McCain. So apparently she has no problem in helping aid a man who called his wife a cunt, watched a voter call Hillary a bitch to his face and then laugh, and has no qualms about getting Roe v Wade overturned to become president because she can't vote for the "sexist" Obama. yeah that is just fucking brilliant, isn't it.
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You know what irritated me the most about that article -- besides the fact that Gerry is a soured harpy? The fact that the term "women" actually meant "white bourgeoise women." I am so done with this fucking so-called "feminist" discussion wallowing in the subtle racism of "white makes right" -- this reminds me of my Woman's History 101 class with two other women of color cajoling the professor for only talking about Sojourner Truth as the token black woman, and then being challenged as "feminists" just because we didn't see the men of our racial/ethnic group as teh evil.

Second to that were the articles on "true patriots." Guess what America? The first man to die for American Liberation was A BLACK MAN WITH A FUNNY NAME!! Obama was raised by his mother, whose ancestors go back centuries in the United States -- and yet these exercises in drivel seem to focus on his father, with whom he had limited contact. Since he did not grow up in Kenya, he is a black American -- he would not be considered African by any stretch of the imagination.

Never mind the fact that the US cannot handle the fact that 80% of people who check off the "black" box can claim heritage in an race/ethnicity other than African, or Jesus is described in the Bible as having skin of copper and hair of wool, but now the eugenics movement is making a comeback! Just in time for Nazi appeasements -- which Bush oughta know all about, since his grandfather was bankrolling the Third Reich.

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this made my week.

Casual D · May 24, 2008

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Hillary needs to get out NOW. Not later, NOW. Enough is enough.

Will · May 24, 2008

I said it before and I'll say it again: Keith Olbermann is absolutely amazing.

The Emptiness Machine · May 24, 2008

Fin

ally tonight as promised, a Special Comment on Senator Clinton's "assassination" remark to the editorial board of the Argus-Leader newspaper of Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

Once again, it was this:

Asked if her continuing fight for the nomination against Senator Obama hurts the Democratic party, she replied, quote... "I don't. Because again, I've been around long enough. You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the
California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in **June** in California. You know, I just don't understand it. You know, there's lots of speculation about why it is. "

The comments were recorded and we showed them to you earlier and they are on-line as we speak.

She actually said those words.

**Those** words, Senator?

You actually invoked the nightmare of political assassination.

You actually invoked the spectre of an inspirational leader, at the seeming moment of triumph, for himself and a battered nation yearning to breathe free, silenced forever.

You actually used the word "assassination" in the middle of a campaign with a loud undertone of racial hatred -- and **gender** hatred -- and **political** hatred.

You actually used the word "assassination" in a time when there is a fear, unspoken but vivid and terrible, that our again-troubled land and fractured political landscape might target a black man running for president.

Or a white man.

Or a white woman!

You actually used those words, in **this** America, Senator while running against an African-American against whom the death threats started the moment he declared his campaign?

You actually used those words, in **this** America, Senator, while running to break your "greatest glass ceiling" and claiming there are people who would do anything to stop **you**?

You!

Senator -- never mind the implications of using the word "assassination" in any connection to Senator Obama...

What about **you**?

You cannot say this!

The references, said her spokesperson, were not, in any way, weighted.

The allusions, said Mo Uh-leathee, are, quote... "...historical examples of the nominating process going well into the summer and any reading into it beyond that would be inaccurate and outrageous."

I'm sorry.

There is **no** inaccuracy.

Not for a moment does any rational person believe Senator Clinton is actually **hoping** for the worst of all political calamities.

Yet the outrage belongs, not to Senator Clinton or her supporters, but to every other American.

Firstly, she has previously bordered on the remarks she made today...

Then swerved back from them and the awful skid they represented. She said, in an off-camera interview with **Time** on March 6th...

"Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June, also in California. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing
particularly unusual. We will see how it unfolds as we go forward over the next three to four months."

In retrospect, we failed her when we did not call her out, for that remark, dry and only disturbing, in a magazine's pages.

But somebody obviously warned her of the danger of that rhetoric:

After the Indiana primary, on May 7th, she told supporters at a Washington hotel:

"Sometimes you gotta calm people down a little bit. But if you look at successful presidential campaigns, my husband did not get the nomination until June of 1992. I remember tragically when Senator Kennedy won California near the end of that process."

And at Shepherdstown, West Virginia, on the same day, she referenced it again:

"You know, I remember very well what happened in the California primary in 1968 as, you know, Senator Kennedy won that primary."

On March 6th she had said "assassinated."

By May 7th she had avoided it.

Today... she went back to an awful well.

There is no **good** time to recall the awful events of June 5th, 1968...

Of Senator Bobby Kennedy, happy and alive -- perhaps, for the first time since his own brother's death in Dallas in 1963...

Galvanized to try to lead this nation back from one of its darkest eras...

Only to fall victim to the same scurge that **took** that brother, and Martin Luther King...

There **is** no good time to recall this.

But certainly to invoke it, two weeks before the exact 40th anniversary of the assassination, is an insensitive and heartless thing.

And certainly to invoke it, three days **after** the awful diagnosis, and heart-breaking prognosis, for Senator **Ted** Kennedy, is just as insensitive, and just as heartless.

And both actions, open a door wide into the soul of somebody who seeks the highest office in this country, and through that door shows something not merely troubling, but frightening.

And politically inexplicable.

What, Senator, do you suppose would happen if you withdrew from the campaign, and Senator Obama formally became the presumptive nominee, and then suddenly left the scene.

It doesn't even have to **be** the 'dark curse upon the land' you mentioned today, Senator.

Nor even an issue of health.

He could simply change his mind...

Or there could unfold that perfect-storm scandal your people have often referenced, even predicted.

Maybe he could get a better offer from some other, wiser country.

What happens then, Senator?

You are not allowed **back** into the race?

Your delegates and your support vanish?

The Democrats don't run **anybody** for President?

What happens, of course, is what **happened** when the Democrats' Vice Presidential choice, Senator Thomas Eagleton of Missouri, had to withdraw from the ticket, in 1972 after it proved he had not been forthcoming about previous mental health treatments.

George McGovern simply got **another** Vice President. Senator, as late as the late summer of 1864 the Republicans were talking about having a **second** convention, to withdraw Abraham Lincoln's re-nomination and choose somebody else because until Sherman took Atlanta in September it looked like Lincoln was going to **lose** to George McClellan.

You could theoretically **suspend** your campaign, Senator.

There's plenty of time and plenty of historical precedent, Senator, in case you want to come back in, if something bad should happen to Senator Obama.

Nothing serious, mind you.

It's just like you said, "We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

Since those awful words in Sioux Falls, and after the condescending, buck-passing statement from her spokesperson, Senator Clinton has made something akin to an apology, without any evident recognition of the true trauma she has inflicted.

"I was discussing the Democratic primary history, and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns both my husband and Senator Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968," she said in **Brandon**, South Dakota.

"I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That's a historic fact.

"The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy. I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive, I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever."
"My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to and I'm honored to hold Senator Kennedy's seat in the United States Senate in the state of New York and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family.

Thanks.

Not a word about the inappropriateness of referencing assassination.

Not a word about the inappropriateness of implying -- whether it was intended or not -- that she was hanging around waiting for somebody to try something terrible.

Not a word about Senator Obama.

Not a word about Senator McCain.
Not: I'm sorry...

Not: I apologize...

Not: I blew it...

Not: please forgive me.

God knows, Senator, in this campaign, this nation has **had** to forgive you, early and often...

And despite your now traditional position of the offended victim, the nation **has** forgiven you.

We have forgiven you your insistence that there have been widespread calls for you to end your campaign, when such calls had been few.

We have forgiven you your misspeaking about Martin Luther King's relative importance to the Civil Rights movement.

We have forgiven you your misspeaking about your under-fire landing in Bosnia.

We have forgiven you insisting Michigan's vote wouldn't count and then claiming those who would not count it were Un-Democratic.

We have forgiven you pledging to not campaign in Florida and thus disenfranchise voters there, and then claim those who stuck to those rules were as wrong as those who defended slavery or denied women the vote.

We have forgiven you the photos of Osama Bin Laden in an anti-Obama ad...

We have forgiven you fawning over the fairness of Fox News while they were still calling you a murderer.

We have forgiven you accepting Richard Mellon Scaife's endorsement and then laughing as you described his "deathbed conversion."

We have forgiven you quoting the electoral predictions of Boss Karl Rove.

We have forgiven you the 3 A-M Phone Call commercial.

We have forgiven you **President** Clinton's disparaging comparison of the Obama candidacy to Jesse Jackson's.

We have forgiven you Geraldine Ferraro's national radio interview suggesting Obama would not still be in the race had he been a white man.

We have forgiven you the dozen changing metrics and the endless self-contradictions of your insistence that your nomination is mathematically probable rather than a statistical impossibility.

We have forgiven you your declaration of some primary states as counting and some as not.

We have forgiven you exploiting Jeremiah Wright in front of the editorial board of the lunatic-fringe Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.

We have forgiven you exploiting William Ayers in front of the debate on ABC.

We have forgiven you for boasting of your "support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans"...

We have even forgiven you repeatedly praising Senator McCain at Senator Obama's expense, and your **own** expense, and the Democratic **ticket's** expense.

But Senator, we cannot forgive you this.

"You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

We cannot forgive you this -- not because it is crass and low and unfeeling and brutal.

**This** is **un**-forgivable, because this nation's deepest shame, its most enduring horror, its most terrifying legacy, is political assassination.

Lincoln.
Garfield.
McKinley.
Kennedy.
Malcolm X
Martin Luther King.
**Robert** Kennedy.

And, but for the grace of the universe or the luck of the draw, Reagan, Ford, Truman, Nixon, Andrew Jackson, both Roosevelts, even George Wallace.

The politics of this nation is steeped enough in blood, Senator Clinton, you cannot and must not invoke that imagery! Anywhere! At any time!

And to not appreciate, immediately -- to **still** not appreciate tonight -- just **what** you have done... is to reveal an incomprehension of the America you seek to lead.

This, Senator, is too much.

Because a senator -- a politician -- a **person** -- who can let hang in mid-air the prospect that she might just be sticking around in part, just in case the other guy gets shot -- has no business being, and no capacity **to** be, the President of the United States.

Good night and good luck.
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Andrea · May 24, 2008

Thank you Keith Olbermann.

esaul17 · May 24, 2008

I would say it is BECAUSE the nation has such a history of political assassination that she is okay to mention it. Just because it is scary doesn't mean she should have to ignore it. If assassination NEVER happened, then she would be out of line to throw it out there, but it did happen, and often enough for it to be the "nation's deepest shame, its most enduring horror". To recall this fact is not an unfair thing to do.

Now, whether she should stay in or duck out of the race and reenter IF something (severe or minor) were to invoke Obama's excision from the race is a different story.

But to ignore facts because you might hurt the Kennedy's and some people's feelings by giving them a 5 second history lesson is as ridiculous as it is despicable.

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