Not Enough Grammy Nominations?

I couldn't think of a way to reply to this so than I imagined myself in Chester's shoes. If I were to be in a band, and the only song thats get nominated for an award is one that doesn't even have words in it, I guess I would be pretty piss. Than again, I would also be like, wow, we're so good, we don't need words. Hah. But seriously, I too would be pretty mad that the only song nominated isn't one that I put my work into it. (If I were in a band, I would like to ahve a part in every song. Not meaning singing or playing guitars. I mean, to at least write lyrics into it and some chords.) So, for a song that I have no part in, I would feel a little insulted. As if its the peoples way to say that I suck and the only good songs around are the ones that I have no part in. So yes, I guess I understand why Chester is mad. But, I wouldn't have said the things he did. I can't say I appreciate it, because I had no part in it, but I like seeing my friends accomplish something. So, I would be happy for the rest of the band, rather to be mad that I had no part in it. I understand, that out of all the songs in Meteora, they think Session is the only one thats worth a Grammy is pretty insulting. But, what can you do? Its just a opinion. If someone doesn't like your music, you go on with life. Thats the risk you take when you get signed up. A lot of people are going to flame you. (Like the way everyone is talking #### about rappers here) So, I understand the way Chester feels, but I don't think he should of said those things.

 

Chester doesn't seem to care much and why should he? This is the same award show that once gave Jethro Tull a hard rock award. ...And Meteora is a much better album than Hybrid Theory.

 

Good for Chester for speaking his mind. I don't blame him for being insulted, I feel the same way, especially when I see who was nominated instead of LP.

 

Not attacking you but I think you have very much missed the point.

Chester didn't just call a press conference and announce his fury at the Grammy nominations. He was clearly asked his opinion on it and probably specifically asked about the lone nomination the band got and he gave his answer, which like it nor not, is an honest one. Not quite sure how you got the impression that he thinks his opinion matters more than anyone else's but that's just me.

 

I agree...I admire him for being honest.

 

It wasn't Joe's song this time.

Mike created the entire instrumental, and Brad, Joe and Phoenix added their touches to it.

Rob and Chester had nothing to do with it.

That's why Chaz is so upset. It wasn't a total band effort. His point was that he wanted to be nominated for something that the whole band contributed on.

You people saying Chaz's remarks were wrong: You are wrong.

 

I don't listen to rap, I hate 50 cent yeah. But people like Ludacris I think are talented in a way, including Missy Elliot. They have awsome, and very induvidual videos which I like. I'm not too interested in thier rapping. But I still have to admit, they put some hard work into their videos, and they have a terrific outcome. So, sorry about that back on subject.... [/b][/quote]
seems to me having a good video with a horrible song (if you can call it a song) is backwards. I dont respect 95% of the rappers out there. I like Eminem and some of obie trice because he wants teeth, not 25 inch dubs, yet anyway.

 

Ludacris is one of the best lyricist in the rap game today. Everyline doesn't have to be rhymed with a different word. It's more of a message getting across to the audience; positive or negative. Hate a little less on rap, it is it's own style/culture of music and views things differently.

 

I dont know if you realize that chester lives in america, but he does. In america everyone has the right to free speech, and chester is only critisizing the grammy noms. you have to realize that arists put a lot into their songs, krappy or not krappy, they do a lot to get to where they are and they feel that they diserve at least a nomination. and i feel like that too. i dont know why people think that arists just slap together stuff to make money. these people work very hard and they diserve at least some kind of recognition. lets stop being ignorant and try to see how things are for them, then we can criticize.

 

Opinion or not, what he said was wrong. I'm not saying he couldn't say it. I'm saying he shouldn't have. A band should be grateful for what nominations they get, they should not expect them to come their way. Chester is upset that Session was nominated as its an instrumental. Shouldn't he instead be happy that Mike/Joe song is taking a spotlight and congratulate his band members? Should he not be happy for the bands who are getting recognition, whether he likes their music or agrees with the decision or not? These are questions that are asked to 12 year olds, not adults.

Well to be technical, since your getting into politics and all, we dont' have free speech. We have it to an extent, unless it will create 'clear and present danger' but that's beside the point. You're absolutly correct that artists put a lot into their songs and they deserve to get where they are. Therefore shouldn't Chester be happy for the bands that are nominated as they put so much time into their songs and all? Or is he too shortsighted to only recognize his own work? I believe that Chester is the ignorant one here, or at least hypocritical.

Bottom line, yes Chester is allowed to say what he did. That doesn't make it right. It was downright wrong. It pisses me off when people think they deserve more when they already receive something. What about the people who worked their asses off and didn't get a nomination at all? How do you think they feel about bands like Linkin Park who go up and whine cause they only get one? Bet it doesn't please them too much either. Linkin Park isn't the only band in the world, others deserve recognition too, whether they or you think so or not.

You think I'm wrong? Prove it rather than just saying it. Just because your an admin doesn't mean that your opinions are automatically right. I suppose I'll get a warning for this, but so be it.

 

Good work Shade not being sarcastic.

 

just because you think he's wrong doesnt mean he is. thats your opinion an thats his. opinion arent wrong, but whatever, youre right about the freedom of speech thing though.

 

Ah, that's a bit naive isn't it? Why should he be happy for other bands who have been nominated? Do you fondly imagine that any of them applaud Linkin Park when they have been nominated? I think not. Instead of hypocritical or ignorant, I prefer to see it as Chester being human and honest. As far as I can see it, Chester's ticked off because he feeels Meteroa deserves more nominations, certainly more than best instrumental or whatever they're up for. Any artist who's worked as hard as they have on their record would feel the same way. Most of them wouldn't have voiced their dissent but then again, Chester isn't most people.

 

Ah, that's a bit naive isn't it? Why should he be happy for other bands who have been nominated? Do you fondly imagine that any of them applaud Linkin Park when they have been nominated? I think not. Instead of hypocritical or ignorant, I prefer to see it as Chester being human and honest. As far as I can see it, Chester's ticked off because he feeels Meteroa deserves more nominations, certainly more than best instrumental or whatever they're up for. Any artist who's worked as hard as they have on their record would feel the same way. Most of them wouldn't have voiced their dissent but then again, Chester isn't most people. [/b][/quote]
How is saying that one should applaud someone else's good work naive? Isn't that a human, 'good' thing to do? Are you saying that everyone should just care about their own work and to hell with everyone elses? Sounds like a sad way to live. To answer your question he should be happy for other bands is becaues he knows how much work it takes to be an artist. Does he believe that Linkin Park is the hardest working band out of all the nominies? There are many bands that have worked just as hard or harder than Linkin Park, in fact Linkin Park has had a relatively easy career. 14 million someodd sales of their first album? A lot easier than it could have been. A testiment to their great songwriting no doubt, but many great bands have never seen the light of day. He should be happy for the other bands because he knows first hand how much work is put in to making music. He should respect their work and the praise they get for it.

To answer your second question on whether I believe other bands applaud Linkin Park when they win. I have no doubt that some are so shallow as to pout and whine about it, as Chester seems to be doing here, but I guarentee there are bands that are happy for them also. What about P.O.D.? They've been great friends for years. Blindside? They helped them get their name out there. Adema? Puddle of Mud? The list goes on. I would say that most people are to greedy to congratulate the successes of others. In this case, I would say Chester is most people. I don't want him to be like that. I want him to be better than that. This is the behaviour of a child losing at tic-tac-toe or something whining about how he should have one. No doubt many 'adults' do it too, but that doesn't make it right. Chester needs to gain a little humility and respect for others.

 

Alright, just addressing two points you made and then I'm saying no more on the subject.

Firstly, I DO think it's naive to expect artists to grin, smile and be happy for other bands in scenarios like this. What you're describing is idealistic and wonderful but frankly not at all reflective of reality in the music business. If that's sad, then so be it.

But really that isn't the crux of the issue at all.

The crux is this: what did Chester say exactly? Did he say anything disparaging other bands? Did he say, 'so and so shouldn't have been nominated ahead of us because we're better than them'? He said he thought Meteora was a better album than Hybrid Theory and he said he thought the record deserved more nominations. That's it. Nothing about other bands or anything even remotely approaching what you've been inferring from his comments. Perhaps it's a question of reading far too much into it.

Finally, I can't understand what the brouhahaha is all about. He was asked his opinion and he gave it. Simple and short.

 

Perhaps it is naive to believe that, but isn't that how it should be? No doubt there is competition between artists, but wouldn't it be better if artists congratulated each other? Isn't that called 'good sportsmanship'? It is not a perfect industry and many act in this ugly fashion, but there are those that set the standard. I would have hoped Chester would have been one of them, that applauded the efforts of others. Instead he joined the majority.

No he did not say they should have been nominated instead of someone else directly, but isn't that implied? If they were nominated wouldn't someone else not have been? By saying he wants Meteora nominated for more things, he is saying, although indirectly, that meteora deserves the spot more than other bands. That is my main problem with the statement, along with the fact that he should be supporting his bandmates whose song was nominated.

 

OK, this has gotten childish and really pointless. Stop arguing over it or this will be closed.

Chaz said what he said, now leave it alone.

 

yesterday a local radio station here called the fox had a interview with Mr.Hahn and they asked joe about the grammy nomiation and joe said... and i quote

"chester is a moody guy, and when he is in a bad mood, he will just say whatever is on his mind"

go joe!

 

OK, I'm going to say something on this to back up my statement earlier in the thread, and then I'm going to leave it alone.

I completely understand where you're coming from and I think you're right in some cases. But, by saying that Chester implied that other people shouldn't have been nominated, you're making Chester look as though he's a bad guy and put down all those other bands. Chester's point is this: He wanted to be nominated for a category that the whole band could've been included in, such as Album of the Year. However, they got nominated for Hard Rock Instrumental of the Year, or something like that. The whole band didn't particiapte on that 2-minute-something interlude, and he's upset that it was nominated instead of other actual songs on the disc. While he should be happy that his bandmates' song was nominated, who's to say he actually isn't happy? He's voicing his opinion on why he thought it was wrong to nominate something that wasn't a total group effort, not saying that other bands shouldn't have been nominated.

That's all I'm going to say.

 

IMO Meteora was mediocre compared to HT. The thing is in my eyes that Meteora sounds too much of the SAME thing as HT (I don't want a debate I was just expressing my opinion). So I wouldn't nominate it for album of the year. However, I think 'Numb' or 'Somewhere I Belong' should have got nominated in the singles category.

Hey they have one nomination, thats a lot more than MANY AMAZING bands get. I think Chester has a point but he should get over it.