I'm glad someone else is pissed off about this,most of my family think it was justified because he could have been a terrorist but so could anyone!
Yeah well I'm mixed race and I carry a backpack around and i go on the Tube alot so maybe I'll get shot too.
Well he was also wearing a winter jacket in summer. Why was he running in the first place? They said they chased him into the station.
Well he was also wearing a winter jacket in summer. Why was he running in the first place? They said they chased him into the station. [/b][/quote] He was proven that he had NOTHING to do with anything involving terrorism,the day he was wearing a leather jacket the clouds were dark and it looked like it could piss down any second.
First the police don't patrol areas where they're really needed, and now the ones who are on patrol unload their guns into an innocent man. Yep, this really makes me feel comfortable about riding a train to and from school.
Well, he didn't exactly make himself look innocent by running through a subway station which had been attacked twice by bombers in the previous two weeks.
Well, he didn't exactly make himself look innocent by running through a subway station which had been attacked twice by bombers in the previous two weeks. [/b][/quote] 1. It wasn't the same Underground station that was bombed twice,as a matter of fact no station was bombed twice. 2. I'd bet my life on it that if you saw a number of tonk dudes running towards you with guns that you'd run too. 3. Why the hell would they wanna patrol that place anyway,I've been there,there's NOTHING there of any importance at all.
Well, he didn't exactly make himself look innocent by running through a subway station which had been attacked twice by bombers in the previous two weeks. [/b][/quote] What would be wrong with running to get on a train you could potentially be late for? And if he was running because he saw the people approach him, I would rather run away and sort it out later instead of stopping to reason.
What would be wrong with running to get on a train you could potentially be late for? And if he was running because he saw the people approach him, I would rather run away and sort it out later instead of stopping to reason. [/b][/quote] Let's think of a hypothetical situation; You're a non-white person (unfortunately, police do racially stereotype) in a subway station that had just been attacked 2 times in the last two weeks, some policemen come up to you to ask you questions. Do you; A: Run like hell, jumping over a turnstile, while police are in pursuit? or B: Answer the policemen's questions, knowing that you're innocent and the situation can be resolved? I would pick B, even if I was late for a train. It's better than rousing the suspicions of policemen that are obviously on-edge. I know you're against what the police did, and I am too. But to tell you the truth, this seems like he brought it on himself by his actions.
Let's think of a hypothetical situation; You're a non-white person (unfortunately, police do racially stereotype) in a subway station that had just been attacked 2 times in the last two weeks, some policemen come up to you to ask you questions. Do you; A: Run like hell, jumping over a turnstile, while police are in pursuit? or B: Answer the policemen's questions, knowing that you're innocent and the situation can be resolved? I would pick B, even if I was late for a train. It's better than rousing the suspicions of policemen that are obviously on-edge. I know you're against what the police did, and I am too. But to tell you the truth, this seems like he brought it on himself by his actions. [/b][/quote] I stand by what I said if the officers in question weren't wearing uniforms. Were they?
I stand by what I said if the officers in question weren't wearing uniforms. Were they? [/b][/quote] Why would he run away from some plainsclothesmen? They undoubtedly introduced themselves as police.
Why would he run away from some plainsclothesmen? They undoubtedly introduced themselves as police. [/b][/quote] What would you do if you were approached by people looking like civilians carrying guns? Of course, if they introduced themselves as police and their weapons were visible it's entirely possible that the man pannicked and ran. What the man should or shouldn't have done is entirely dependant on whether: - The police where in plain clothes. - Their weapons were visible (most likely not if they were plainclothesmen)
What would you do if you were approached by people looking like civilians carrying guns? Of course, if they introduced themselves as police and their weapons were visible it's entirely possible that the man pannicked and ran. What the man should or shouldn't have done is entirely dependant on whether: - The police where in plain clothes. - Their weapons were visible (most likely not if they were plainclothesmen) [/b][/quote] The police were wearing plain clothes because they were under cover terrorist police. And Mark once again I'm gonna state the fact that the station the dude that was shot at had NOT been attacked and NO station was attacked twice. And I'd run aswell if I saw some tonk people running after me with fucking guns as would 90% of people,you're not gonna just stand there and say "oh yes,please shoot me" are you.
Jesus christ, hellflame..do you think that really matters? Stop pushing your 'facts' down Mark's throat because you, yourself aren't really thinking right now. Police identify themselves, they tell the man to stop, the man instead of stopping runs faster..it's foolish. He could've easily been a terrorist that had planted a bomb in the station. As sorry as I feel for the innocent man, he got what he received from absolutely ignoring the cops' demands. Whether the station was attacked before or not it doesn't matter, cause terrorists could've easily planned to bomb a new station, thus fleeing the scene when the cops came around. Instead of thinking what you say is right all the time, open your mind to other possibilities. Instead of saying it was wrong to attack because that particular station was never attacked before, think that maybe they thought the person had planted a bomb somewhere and was running from the scene. I see you doing this all the frickin time and it's seriously starting to frustrate me as a moderator. Grow. Up.
The way some people are talking it just seems everyones completly ignoring that this shit happened practuacly down the road from me and people who live thousands of miles away are trying to say they know more than the person who lives near where these bombings took place. Derek chill out man I wasn't trying to make myself look like the king of knowledge,I was mearly getting frustrated that people were just ignoring the person who lives closest to everything that happened. If I got anyone at all pissed off with my assertive corrections then I apolagize however I will not apolagize for telling my beliefs in the fashion that I did. Facts are facts and if it means you have to correct someone every now and then then so be it,just like you have to correct people with the LPA rules every now and then. To be honest I think its sods law that I've been caught out with this because I know alot of people here that have stressed that their beliefs on a particular subject are the absolute right beliefs,I wont mention names but with the way its going now its like I'm being told I don't consider anyone elses opinion,I do Derek,I'm just passionate about my beliefs thats all '
Hey I live nearest to Old trafford than probably everyone on this forum, that doesn't mean, I know more about Manchester United's football results than someone who lives in the US does it. They have their opinions you have yours. Accept it.
Hey I live nearest to Old trafford than probably everyone on this forum, that doesn't mean, I know more about Manchester United's football results than someone who lives in the US does it. They have their opinions you have yours. Accept it. [/b][/quote] Yeah I get your point. And I do consider every persons point on the matter however I feel strongly about my own.
I figured that you, of all people, would use a little more logic into their posts. Thanks for proving me wrong, Derek. I mean, he got what he deserved? What the hell?
I would stay in a hypothetical situation where men came up to me toting guns in a subway station. What the hell kind of thugs pull out guns in the middle of a busy subway station? For one thing, they'd expose themselves for carrying weapons. Secondly, anything they'd do to me would be stupid for them, seeing that if they shot me, they'd have dozens of people tackling them. So, I'd use common sense and stay put. It's best to stay in a crowd where there's lots of witnesses. And please don't give me any of that "they're terrorists, they don't care if they're caught" nonsense because their main objective is to take down as many people as they can at one time. They're trained to be discreet with their actions so as to not rouse suspicions. Pulling out a gun on an insignificant guy like me for no reason wouldn't further their cause at all. If the station had not been attacked before, and you have apparently figured out their formula that no station can be attacked twice, wouldn't that increase the chances that terrorists would hit that station by that logic? What you're doing is speculating on what he thought and why he ran. From police accounts, they came up to him to ask him some questions (I don't even know if they had their guns out), and he jumped over a turnstile and ran from them. Did they announce they were police officers? Why would he have ran? These questions can't be answered until the investigation is complete, so let's just stop the speculation and wait for the results.