Sometimes Maverik, I just don't understand you. That last comment just didn't make any sense. On topic, what a sick bastard.
I guess it isn't necessarily the fact that it is a dog, it's the fact that it's alive. Make sure things are dead before they are dissected, damn it! Keep the learning experience of live organs to discovery videos. Fuckin sicko teacher.
1. i dont see what you mean by just as dog. if you are saying dogs (or other animals) are "lesser" beings than humans, thats obviously just your personal opinion, not as everyone elses. therefore, trying to explain why people shouldnt be complaining is irrelevant. 2. the major thing here is that it was alive. they used to have live frogs, but i believe they complained or protested against the use of live frogs, so they could only dissect them if they are dead. i, personally, see no point in dissecting at all. is it that hard to look at a chart or watch a video, rather than dissecting so many animals each year? theres already been 3 dissections of animals for the time ive been in school (two of which were frogs. go figure, the same animal. how exactly would it help the second time?), all of which i sat out of. i think its completely pointless and should not be done at all, living or dead, especially in required classes. im sure 99.99% of the kids dissecting anything really are not even going to remember what they "learned". if you ask some kid what kind of incision you make, i highly doubt they will even know the answer.
wtf? hilarious? I would have sooooo slapped that teacher if I were there. [/b][/quote] i wouldnt have slapped him, i would have proberably gone so mental at him he wouldnt see tomorrow, sick bastard. next they'll be disecting students or something sick like that claiming 'i wanted the kids to see a human digestive system.'
Sick. That's just sick. I would have just ditched that class. Just last week as I came out of science, someone from another class threw a frog in the air and its limbs flew off, a leg almost hitting me. I'm still in shock. :chemist:
I bet it'd be even more educational if they could have seen a HUMAN's digestive system working real-time. Wow, I'd learn a lot if I saw that. Dissecting frogs and other living creatures is outlawed in California, I believe. I'd never be able to dissect something.. I'm such a city kid.
PETA ---- i totally agree w/ what Jila said. i really do. i dont think that disecting will really make you remember anything any better than a chart or video. they now have virtual disections on the computer btw, much more humane. and it is the samep principal as a disection, it is hands on experience, which is what the teachers are trying to go for w/a disection. ------ on the other hand, i can see where the teacher was coming from. he honestly didnt think about the animal or the scars that it might leave on more sensitive students. im sure he has done soooo many disections that he just doesnt think about the animals anymore. and he probebly didnt think that it was a big deal since it was going to be killed anyway. but one thing that stands out in this story is that it only says that the dog was unconscience, not given pain meds. this leads me to believe that the dog might still have been feeling every inscion, every poke. we were talking about this type of thing in my chem lectrue class the other day. there had been multiple people that had been sedated so they couldnt move or speak, but were still feeling every drill and pull when they were getting thier wisdom teeth removed. it is more common than you think. and anestesia is a very very complicated matter. the doctors that specialize in it have to pay higher premiums and higher insurance than ANY other form of practice. ------- i, myself, have witnessed many a surgury and necropsey (animal otopsey(sp?)), being a veterinary intern for many years. so i know what it is like when you are there. and i think seing a real surgury, one that was for the good of the animal, would have been a MUCH better solution. these surguries you can tape and show on the screen. doing a live disection, where there is none of the correct material is absurd from the begining. the teacher, not even doctor, should have had at least some common sense. its sad to see how desensitized the world is now-a-days
I wouldn't feel right disecting any living animal. Just today my friend was ripping a branch from a tree and I was yelling at him going "What are you trying to prove?!?!?"
It honeslty wants to make me cry, then get really angry and dissect this guys digestive system. Stupid, idiotic, sick fuck.
I dissected a living fish. So did many others around me. Do you people feel the same about it as the dog? The dog couldn't feel anything. Just like my fish. Animal cruelty or not, the majority of people will say it is sickening because a dog is domestic animal.
That's another point. Most people have only dissected dead animals so it comes as something to much, to fast. I've dissected dead and live, so I really don't see the problem with it. But I'm a Physics person so what the hell do I know?
I've never needed to dissect anything because there's software and charts on that stuff already. Besides, how much would you even learn dissecting anything in school? (Unless you're studying to be a surgeon or something, of course)
If that was me, I would of went and taken the sedatives and sedated him [teacher] myself. If he woke up with his heart missing, umm, it wasn't me. A fish, sure, who cares about them. They aren't "man's best friend". Dogs are loved and respected, they aren't some fucking test dummies for a fucking class science experiment. <_<
So you value a living dog over a living fish? fish are expendable but dogs are not? Make up your minds people, but what really got me here was Holiday. Uh, if you are in a state of incapacitation, you don't exactly feel... ANYTHING! if you are out cold, your brain is temporarily off to the rest of you. Next time you get knocked out, tell your friend to slap you, you'll probably not feel it.