Kanye Sticks it to Bush

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    Ant

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    First of all, I'll quote whatever I want. It's not my fault if you can't handle the facts of the matter and think my reasoning is bullshit. It's amazing to me just how many of you people here think that just because someone disagrees with you that their reasoning is bullshit.

    I love the liberal, teen-angst attitude of the board. Seriously, it's great. Can I get a tear for having parents who give curfews? Yeahhhh! :rolleyes:

    (See how easy it is to make a sterotype just because you don't like someone? How about you refrain from that next time, pal. I'd appreciate you to debate in a civilized manner if you're going to debate, although that's not my call. If you want to make it into a poo-slinging contest I'd be more than happy to appease you.)

    And, for the actual substance to your post (which, of which, there is extremely little): My logic is "fucked" because that's how the government works? I'm sorry you don't see things my way, but that's the beauty of having an opinion -- you can see things anyway you want. How about you let me express my opinion and back it up with facts (I still have yet to see any from you). I'm allowed to have an opinion that doesn't agree with the majority of this board's, am I not?
     
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    Shade

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    Despite the media and Bush Administration's best efforts to vilify Kayne West for his statements, they were well founded in fact.

    Let me say this first: I agree that the race card gets overplayed. I think it can and has been used inappropriately.

    I also believe that it has valid points to this day.

    For example, Kayne Wests statements about Bush not caring about Black people are well founded. The administration placed troops in New Orleans for the purpose of defending against 'Militant African Americans' and suggested that some 23 million African Americans be relocated. (Source: CSPAN US House Representative Mrs. McKinney D - GA). While the point could be made that New Orleans is mostly African American and therefore those are valid statements, the way they are worded ARE derogatory.

    In addition, aid was EXTREMELY slow to get to New Orleans, as many have pointed out, while Bush was busy getting back from vacation and appointing extremist Supreme Court Justices.

    Somewhere in this post I believe Ant said that aid was not asked for until after the disaster. That's not really correct. Here's a full timeline (Source: MoveOn.org)

    So, in the end, I believe Kayne has a right to see things as he does, I believe the facts back him up, and that is also why, I hope, other people support him too.
     
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    Ant

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    My fault, I was mistaken on that.

    And an outlook from two people on boards I visit on other sites:
    The first post was by a democrat, actually. The second by a Republican... as I said, both from different messageboards, but both obviously share my displeasure with the local government and both were also upset that the local governments didn't provide transportation, as I mentioned.

    If the people of Louisana blame the local government more than the federal, don't you at least think that maybe some of the blame should go on the local government? But no, everyone here thinks 100% of the blame goes to Bush... I can understand the displeasure with Bush as a president, but some of you are just being silly. I admit he is at fault for a large amount of the problems in Louisiana, but the local government amounts to just as much.
     
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    Shade

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    Perhaps, hard to say. I'm not entirely sure what the guidelines are for local politics and whatnot. I have a hard enough time keeping up with the national politics :p. There may indeed be blame to place there, however, I don't think there is a whole lot that the local government could have done. I don't know how much money they have in their reserves, but I'm fairly certain it is not enough to pay for everyone to evacuate with transportation, gas, and whatnot.

    That kind of large scale action is what the national government is for. The other post also suggests that Louisiana did not ask for it, a common mistake fueled by the media and Bush Administration.

    Something this large scale requires swift action from the federal government, which just did not happen. I'm sure we'll get another speech from Bush about how "Being President is difficult", but in the end, he wasn't where he was supposed to be until irregrettably late.

    EDIT: Though this is somewhat getting off topic of the original post. This might be better taken to a Katrina topic, I only brought it up in relevance to Kayne West's statements. *Shrug*
     
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    Justin

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    Jay-Z, T.I., David Banner, Twista, and probably many other rappers backed Kanye West's comments. Personally I agree with Kanye West's comments to an extent.
    Mtv News

    There are so many spelling mistakes in that I'd bet a 12 year-old wrote that.
     

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