Dude, Where's my country?

Derek, that's right. I hope you knew this one, or else i'm sorry to say you're uninformed on the whole WW II subject [/b][/quote]
Alright, I get it people. I made a little blunder with my facts. I'd prefer if you'd comment on the other important parts of my post.

 

Thank GOD I have a friend who's half intelligent in what's going on with the world otherwise I would have been just as brain-washed as the rest of you are right now. Sure, there's information that goes against what we've heard from the news, but who's to say the liberalist media (meaning newspapers) aren't filling you full of bullsh*t to make you believe that America is feeding you well....bullsh*t? Bettter to cover up lies with more lies aye?

This might seem like I'm going against every anti-government comment I've made in the past few months but that guy on that website is WAY misinformed. First off, Bush Sr. didn't give saddam his weapons. People like to say that so that they can act like Bush is covering up his fathers blunders, but in reality Bush is only covering up Ronald Reagan's mistake. Reagan was the one who helped out Saddam Hussein and not Bush's father.

Another thing, America has ALWAYS gone to war when a threat was involved. We never ever said that we were going to war just for the sake of 'liberating the Iraqi people' we always said that we were going in to try and take down Saddam Hussein as well. Also nothing against the French members of these forums, but a little overlooked fact is that the French government gave Iraq the materials to assemble WMDs, that's the true reason America is so bitter with the French now rather then just because they wouldn't help us in the war. Keep in mind this is a rant against their government, and not the people themselves (put your gun down Kat .)

Also, you want to know why we haven't gone to North Korea? We're flat ass broke. We're so far in debt from going after saddam hussein that to go after North Korea with only our money would force this country into another 'depression'. Bush knows that and until we can get a better grip on our economy and more ecomonical support from other countries..I don't think we are going anywhere.

Just because we are broke does not mean we cannot fight back, however. We still use all of the technologies we use to protect our people, and in the event Korea was definetely planning an attack on us (a date was confirmed) America wouldn't simply shrug off that intelligence and walk away from it.

Also? Once again my friend gave me a very valid point that I soon was able to confirm. Korea is as broke as we are, they are starving their people to develop these weapons. If they really need to do that to even use the techonology they have, they clearly do not have the funds to launch a war against the united states. Remember to go to war you need money. I hope none of you forgot about the 500+ Billion federal deficeit our country is in at the moment.

My friend should have posted this instead of me, but I'm so humoured by all the inconsistencies we've found in that Anti-Bush website that I honestly feel he's just another brainwashed liberal like that annoying idiot Michael Moore who uses his own form of "Political Bullsh*t" to rally the gullible percentage of the american people against the united states government. I'm sorry but it takes a bullsh*tter to know one guys. Especially since you're so convinced America went after Iraq for oil, even though Iraq doesn't have a large enough amount of it to even affect our economy. OH YES! Let's rally alongside one of the most arrogant activists of our time!

Also, for all you people who are angry enough that the United States might have protected oil fields so that we could have oil for our country..let me ask you something: Do you enjoy your warm house? Do you enjoy being able to drive all across this great country of ours without a care in the world? I'm sure you do. But I'm sure you haven't considered that if it wasn't for oil, you wouldn't be able be warm when it was under 30 degrees outside, much less..you wouldnt be able to drive to your friends house a few miles away instead of having to walk that long distance.

In case you forgot, oil makes up for one of the largest resources our country takes for granted. Do your homework and consider all the things that you use that require oil to work properly. Now imagine a life without any of those things. Life just became pretty sh*tty didn't it? You arrogant "oil activists" fail to see that oil, made the gas that you people used to drive to buy the computer you are typing on at this exact moment.

And you said America doesn't have a reason to need oil, give me a break. We take it for granted every single day of our lives.

I am no longer going to be against Bush and instead I'm going to side by Will, because for once...everything the Bush supporters are saying is starting to make sense. This all started when Carter refused to do anything because he was such a pacifist. You want to blame somebody? Blame him or Reagan.

 

I was complaining about how some forms of media (aka Michael Moore and his tapes) spread bullsh*t to make America look worse then they really are. So I was going against what you all have been saying.

Maybe, but they are using it in a way to make their points against the Bush Administration have more substance. That mistake happened over 10 years ago and WAY before George Bush Jr. yet somehow its making its way into this discussion against the America of today. An America that is changing in the wake of 9/11.

It was the both of them. They didn't support us in the UN yet after that we found out that they were selling weapons to Iraq, even though the UN said they could not. We didn't find any WMDs but the United states found out that over 10 companies in France were receiving money from Saddam Hussein in exchange for weapons and ammunition. Once again I have nothing against the people of these countries, but if you see what I just posted..you can clearly see why america thought Iraq had WMDs. Those countries were selling weapons to Iraq for god's sake.

And who's to say that's the exact reason we threatened Syria? America doesn't go against countries because they are "weak". We threaten countries because we have a cause for concern. I wouldn't call Iraq weak when they had one of the most powerful dictators in the world, and have people who are capable of making their own bombs to use against the United States. And let me remind you that it wasn't only us who gave weapons to Iraq..it was France and Russia as well. With that amount of weapons support, how Iraq be "weak"? Think about it. Iraq was as much of a threat as anybody else.

Wrong. If America really wanted oil and only that, they would invade Saudi Arabia. SA has the most oil out of any country situated in the Middle East. Not Iraq like most of you believe. America wouldn't go after Iraq if they needed oil. There are much larger sources of oil we can use.

Once again you assume America went in purely for oil. They went in to get that b*stard Saddam Hussein.

If you really want to discuss our concerns for oil, then okay I'll go there. If Iraq denied us oil, it would be a major blow to us. We've already had to raise our gas prices because oil was denied to us in the past. Yet...if anything, that made up only a mere 10% of our reason for going to war. Not the majority of it like you believe. America believed Saddam was hiding weapons. We now know that intelligence wasn't correct, but rather then hide our mistakes we admitted it in public and now are conducting investigations to see just how incorrect we were.

Once again...not for oil.

 

But unlike most countries we actually don't plan to use them. Not after we saw what happened with Hiroshima and the horrible aftermath of it all. Sure it ended WII but the bomb worked a little too well.

Not to sound cynical but it took only 3 hours for Al-Queda to bomb america three times on 9/11 and cripple America for a few months. Are we weak? No. The speed of invasion doesn't tell a nation's strength. I believe brainpower has a lot more to do with it.

Precisely. We can agree on that much, because America is in agreement/trade with Saudi Arabia. I wouldn't forsee bad relations with them anytime in our near future.

But that wasn't the only reason we went to war mind you. Yes they did f*ck with us in the sense of oil, but we had many other reasons to start war with Iraq besides the oil situation.

I don't know if you meant that as in "Iraq hasn't attacked us, therefore we had no need for war." but I believe we were right in going to war because we got who we came for: Saddam Hussein. He's now in American custody and will probably never ever see Iraq ever again. If he's lucky he'll get life in a maximum security prison.

 

The fact that we disagree with your points and side with another explanation does not make us brainwashed, Derek. We choose to accept the truth as we see fit in our eyes.

George Bush Sr wanted to invade Iraq, it has been written about before, but he didn't have enough time. So, George Bush Jr, with the help of Jeb Bush in the election, was put into office so he could complete his fathers work. And he did.

I don't know which president supplied the Iraqis with these weapons, but the american government did help Iraq. They no longer have the weapons, so is this a desperate attempt to try to make the government look better for helping the enemy in the past?

The French, along with Canada, Germany, Russia, and many other countries declined to help out in the Iraq war. Why? They were sensible. They didn't want to attract the reprocussions which America has undoubtedly brought upon themselves.

The US has not gone to war with North Korea yet. They are a huge threat, they have threatened the US before. Why delay and let the North Korean government improve their technologies when you can commence peace talks or take military action? They have confirmed that they have WMD's. You go into a country like Iraq with no intelligence and invade, yet you refuse to invade a country which has came out and said themselves that they don't like you, they are your enemy, and they have WMD's. Why? It's because they don't want another vietnam disaster. If Kim Jong Il is starving his people and is a menace to society, why not remove THIS dictator who hates america so much?

The other reason you're not going in is because, yes, you are highly in debt. You're in debt over an unnecessary war. And it's the American People who are suffering, along with the Iraqi civilians. Jobs lost, fear runs rampid, a lying government, some freedom that is, right? You could be saving lives instead of destroying them with blood money.

Go watch Bowling For Columbine, Michael Moore is no idiot.

 

Well first I would like to thank you for holding a good debate. You've had some intelligent answers here...but to continue.

To be honest I don't. But after all we've done to ensure the safety and peace of other countries (we aren't bomb happy people), I doubt we'd want to start a nuclear war that could destroy our entire world. We're not that stupid, we'd rather live another century or more.

That's actually slow if you think about it. If it wasn't for the game of cat and mouse saddam hussein decided to play with us by hiding in spider holes across Iraq, we would have been finished a lot sooner in my honest opinion.

No because then they would have gone into war for only one reason, a reason that isn't near important enough to start a war on its own.

Sure. I'll post all the reasons I can remember at this current time..

1. We wanted to free Iraq of the dictatorship it was currently under. Under saddam's rule, his people were not even allowed to listen to music, which is something us Americans nearly live on.

2. To take Saddam Hussein out of power. Not only was he giving america trouble, he was also oppressing his people. America doesn't want another Adolf Hitler in the world, even though nobody could ever be as bad as him.

3. We went on intelligence (in which we now know was incorrect) that suggested Iraq had WMDs and planned to use them. The country itself claimed to have them only for us to find out later that it was all untrue and that our intelligence failed. This is why we're going into a large investigation..to find out just how badly the government was misled. But at the time of the war we believed we were at threat by Iraq.

4. Like or or not, Saddam is a terrorist. Just like Osama Bin Laden. If Bush was going to keep his promise on having this "War On Terror" Saddam Hussein had to be one of the many targets. Now that we have him, we're probably going to go after Osama...assuming he isn't dead somewhere in a cave.

But you are forcefed into believing that we caused the majority of the civilian casualties when in fact it was saddam supporters attempting to keep civilians from assisting the americans after saddam's capture. There are more car bombings now that Saddam was captured then throughout the entire Iraqi war. Saddam's loyalists are pissed and they are willing to take out any civilian or soldier who threatens to change the ways of saddam hussein. We are not walking up to civilians and shooting them in the head. That would be senseless considering we already got who we came for. We're simply trying to stabilize Iraq enough so that they can handle a non dictating form of government. Right now with all the loyalists still after american/british soldiers..that's a little hard.

You people forget the good that has came out of this. Do you not forget all the happy Iraqis who celebrated in the streets the day Saddam was caught? People felt free for the first time in thier lives. To give an idea of the change consider this: Music bootlegging is on the rise in Iraq. They have no way to have official cds, but the music business is soaring in Iraq now that saddam isnt around to tell people they absolutely cannot listen to music or forms of entertainment. If it wasn't for America...people would be afraid to listen to music.

Everyone has some very valid points and I really enjoy this debate as it is one of the most intelligent debates to ever exist on LPA. I was a bit rude earlier, nobody is brainwashed...we just have different views on the government of America . Hell my view used to be positive, then it became negative and now its back to positive again. It's all part of living in a country that's going through war. Sometimes you question the decisions of your leaders, and sometimes you agree with them.