Thats wrong. Very wrong. What about bush? Lied about weapons of mass destruction. Cheated to win the election (We all know Gore got more votes). And you remember when Bush's dad said back in the early 90s: "Read my lips. No More Taxes." Yeah, thats another republican lie. Can't forget about Nixon either and the watergate break in. And just because Clinton got a blow job from his intern, you can't critisize him for that or say it made him a bad president. It's his personal life, and should have been between him, Hillary and Monica and never even made public.
We're getting slightly off topic. IMO, BFC is really an eye-opening documentary. It made me think about how our society peddles fear, how we've become a gun-happy culture, and how our lack of tolerance just makes the problems worse. And to whoever it was that said Michael Moore was a left-wing radical who "should be shot", meh. You'll have to shoot me too. And while I'm sure that there are other people who are offended by MM's views, please remember that some will find your views offensive. At least I'm not saying that you should be shot.
:angry: No, more than just that. Unlike MOST people, whom are very ill-informed, I watch other news programs, read newspapers. I'm hardly even taking note on sh*t like that anymore, most papers lie, and truly the only thing I'll read or pay slight attention to is republican news sources. Damn me for it, but at least I can admit when I'm wrong. Unlike liberals who'll call the US people stupid, lie, steal, cheat (on wives as well -.0), and are hypocrits. -.- I rather depise politians. [/b][/quote] You hate Michael Moore, calling him a left-wing democrat, then you say this?? And I would have to say I'm very well-informed. I've done a lot of research on politics, political science is one of the fields I'm considering for University. Why would you want to shoot a man for stating his opinions? Sounds something like Saddam or Hitler would do, doesn't it? Also it sounds awfully like what Bush does, except he does it through other vices, 'legal' murders, most notably the economy. He scares you into mass conformity, blind faith and consumption. Get into history and read all about other dictators and ruthless leaders. Bush and them have a lot in common. The US government put Osama and Saddam in power, provided Osama with CIA and billions of dollars in funding. They gave Saddam loads of arms and missiles and stuff and supported his regime for years, until the US wanted to refill the gravy train (one word: OIL). I think Michael Moore is getting this debate mainstream, and he's being heard. I just hope people open there minds to new ideas and look at each one without bias. That way you can make your best decision. I think that's what Dips should do. Consider some of his points, man, and I think that you will be able to at least ACCEPT his point of view.
You are wrong there. Sadam lied to us saying he had them. Note the boats going out into the middle of the sea last year while people in chemical suits loaded up unmarked crates. And, the truck that was used for WMDs that was cleaned then dumped on the side of the road, or did you forget about that one too? Not true. As reported by all news resources most votes containig Bush's name were throwen out secretaly. Bush is also giving us tax cuts and you know that. -.- Oh, and selling us out to China isn't gonna make him a bad president? -.-
First of all, Clinton was a terrible president. Anyone who supports that pig, really should ask themselves why. We gave more money to terrorists during Clinton's presidency then any other president in the history of the united states. Speaking of columbine, let me remind you that on the day of the shooting, Clinton dropped more bombs on Kosovo then any other day of the war. And people considered him to be a great president. Yeah I guess getting his d*ck sucked in the oval office and lowering the morals of our government makes him one incredible president. Boy I want to grow up to be just like him. Oh and don't forget clinton "smoked" a lot of cigars (hmm are we sure that's what he really did with them?), and last but not least, he didn't inhale. Well that's a relief, I thought we had a pothead for a president. But moving on to bush "lying" about WMD's. It was saddam who claimed to have them in the first place, and it was France and Russia selling Saddam weapons and material to make weapons in the first place that made us believe Saddam was up to something. Bush had plenty of reason to believe Saddam had WMD's but of course you liberalists will never believe that and just claim Bush is a "lying redneck illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents who is slowly ruining our country" right? Thought so. Moving on, I want to thank you for the best quote ever, "Bush cheated to win the election". If anything Gore cheated as some ballots for bush were simply thrown in the trash. Even funnier, even after two recounts, Gore still came out the loser, but rest assured Gore hung on to his favorite campaign slogan ever: "I STILL WON THE POPULAR VOTE!". I don't blame you, trust me the thought of Joe Lieberman in the white house excited me so much. That would be so awesome to have him ban violent video games and get rid of all the music we enjoy because he feels its a "negative influence on today's youth". Yes, I was really looking forward to having a Vice President who would influence Gore to take away everything I love. I WANT MY TEENAGE YEARS TO BE RUINED LIEBERMAN!! PLEASE DO IT!! I BEG YOU! Like dips said, Bush is giving us tax cuts. Of course, it "convieniently" slipped your mind when talking against Bush, it's okay..I don't blame you, would've done the same thing if I wanted to brainwash people into following the ways of liberalism. And following another point by dips: "WHEN IN DOUBT! SELL US OUT TO CHINA!" Don't get me started on Clinton, I'm sorry. Normally I'm neutral, but when I see someone supporting that disgusting S.O.B, it makes me sick to my stomach.
You're forgetting that Clinton had one of the lowest unemployment rates this country has ever seen. In just a few short years, the Bush administration has completley turned that around, leaving countless people out of work. To the subject of WMDs, what about the recent CIA reports that said there were no WMDs and the US was wrong? And we've been there for 11 months and haven't found a single thing. If Iraq had this huge stash of WMDs that Bush said they did, we would have found them a long time ago because I doubt hiding tens of thousands of missiles is easy. And the election....supposidley, ballot boxes from traditionally Democratic areas were found after the election empty or well hidden so they wouldn't be counted. And Bush's brother is the Florida governer. With the decision in his hands, do you think he'd rule against his brother? I seriously doubt it. And again, the argument about Clinton getting a BJ is invalid. It's his own personal life, it should have never been made public. And it's not like he's the only famous person or politician to have an affair.
You're forgetting that Clinton had one of the lowest unemployment rates this country has ever seen. In just a few short years, the Bush administration has completley turned that around, leaving countless people out of work. To the subject of WMDs, what about the recent CIA reports that said there were no WMDs and the US was wrong? And we've been there for 11 months and haven't found a single thing. If Iraq had this huge stash of WMDs that Bush said they did, we would have found them a long time ago because I doubt hiding tens of thousands of missiles is easy. And the election....supposidley, ballot boxes from traditionally Democratic areas were found after the election empty or well hidden so they wouldn't be counted. And Bush's brother is the Florida governer. With the decision in his hands, do you think he'd rule against his brother? I seriously doubt it. And again, the argument about Clinton getting a BJ is invalid. It's his own personal life, it should have never been made public. And it's not like he's the only famous person or politician to have an affair. [/b][/quote] Did I not just tell you about what they were doing to hide them and destroy them? Not to mention the fact that Seria was also covering up for Iraq. And no, we wouldn't have found them years ago because... WE LISTENED TO THE F*CKIN' UN!!! :angry: We also have several countries backing us up on Sadam. Havin' WMD's was just one of a few reasons why we went after them. Not only are they terriost, but they supply hate towards all that are not like them. Sadam and Osama are just LIKE Hitler, Bush is not. If you still think this then give me your reasons why. P.S. Hitler wanted a perfect nation/world, so he killed milions of people including Jews, French, English, Americans, etc... Bush only went after those that were a big threat. I.E. Caves that hid terrosts, factors, crap like that. Bush not only fed the people Sadam was killing, jailing, raping, and abusing, but he helped them. He also jailed them in camps that fed them, let them keep their traditions... What did the others do? Killed, beat our troops without mercy. What kind of crap is that? Did you not see that one guy of Sadams council? Saying we weren't in the city of Bagdad but we were? The people are insane, he toyed with their heads. So did Hitler. So if Bush is anything like Hitler, then how come some people in America disagree with what Bush is doing? When Hitlers people did not? P. P. S. So selling us out to China is no big deal, right? And doing worse than what Bush did in our war is also no biggie? o.o Wow... -.- Feel the intelligence flowing....
You're forgetting that Clinton had one of the lowest unemployment rates this country has ever seen. In just a few short years, the Bush administration has completley turned that around, leaving countless people out of work. To the subject of WMDs, what about the recent CIA reports that said there were no WMDs and the US was wrong? And we've been there for 11 months and haven't found a single thing. If Iraq had this huge stash of WMDs that Bush said they did, we would have found them a long time ago because I doubt hiding tens of thousands of missiles is easy. And the election....supposidley, ballot boxes from traditionally Democratic areas were found after the election empty or well hidden so they wouldn't be counted. And Bush's brother is the Florida governer. With the decision in his hands, do you think he'd rule against his brother? I seriously doubt it. And again, the argument about Clinton getting a BJ is invalid. It's his own personal life, it should have never been made public. And it's not like he's the only famous person or politician to have an affair. [/b][/quote] Bush Sr. was responsible for the growing employment, first of all. That's something you should have known. Clinton rode the wave that Bush created and acted like it was completely his work, when really he didn't do jack sh*t. Bush is responsible? Bullsh*t. How about the WTC getting hit, the center of the nation and possibly the world's economy? THAT was the reason we went into a shithole, it wasn't bush's fault at all and if anything the tax cuts were to make sure the american people dont have to suffer as much with the terrible economy we were going through. I didnt see any tax cuts from Mr. Clinton. The BJ comment is in NO way invalid. He was a sick pig who commited adultery on his wife. If it was in another place, it would be no big deal, but it was in the damn oval office. I refuse to back down from that because it was completely unnecessary and it made our country look worse then Bush ever could have done. It was uncalled for and the cheating illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents deserves to be criticized for it. Forgetting what Clinton did is like saying it's okay to commit adultery. And for your info, it went a lot farther then a quick BJ, it was about ten times worse then that by the report released. And you should know that if Bush REALLY did cheat and didnt get real votes in a lot of the big states, one state..Florida would not enough to shift the votes in his favor. No, he won the votes even in states where his brother couldn't "rule in his favor." And I must stress it again, it was not Bush who said we had WMDs. It was the CIA because several things, clearly hinted that Saddam was up to something, hence why we decided to make a move. It was not Bush's sole decision to move into Iraq and you should know that.
My friend was telling me all about this movie and how funny it was that Michael Moore did, the issues he stamped down on. I'm going to try and rent it tomorrow, if I can get out. Not to nag, but shouldn't your discussions be in the Politics thread?
I've heard that Bush has something about homosexuals *notes thread on Bush arguing with gay marriages* Apparently he had warnings about it but didn't really heed them. Meh I hardly know anything about American politics, but I heard some of that on the news so it just might be biased.
All politicans are against gay marriges.... welcome to stupid people. We did have heeds of warning, but, we get threats all the time. Sometimes you gotta out weigh the serious ones, and the non serious ones. Who would have thought someone to be stupid to bomb the WTC? Yea! Lets screw the whole world over and create yet ANOTHER world depression... -.- Another reason for going after Sadam and other terriosts. People see it as us trying to get oil and what not... if we wanted that we could have taken it over anyway. Many points I could bring up but I'm too damned tired. I go nap nap now....
I'm supposed to watch this movie in school sometime this year, I hope I do. But I don't know how this thread went from talking about Bowling for Columbine to politics . Oh how odd it is to change subjects like so... :wth:
BFC IS political [/b][/quote] Well, like I said, I haven't seen it yet, and bleh, it's like, it went from what should have been more of a discussion on the documentary to another politic debate .
1. Whether you think Clinton was terrible or not, at least he tried to do something constructive. When he was around, he had talks with Yasser Arat and Yitzhak Rabin which led to the Oslo Accords in 1993, and now, the Israelis and Palestinians are back to tearing at each other's throat. 2. Bush keeps changing his story about Iraq's WMDs. Somewhere along those lines, he is either lying or completely clueless. One minute it's "I'm certain that Iraq possesses WMD" and the next it's "We thought he was capable of developing WMDs". When the man who decided on war changes his story like that, you get suspicious. 3. Bush himself might not have 'cheated' but there were people helping him to win that election. Somebody must've fixed that election because how else could some black people have been disenfranchised? Whoever was responsible knew that black voters would mostly go for Gore and by indirectly disenfranchising them, they would be raking in more votes for Bush. Also, isn't it funny that Bush's presidency was decided in the Supreme Court, presided by a Florida governor who's his very own brother?! That just sounds wrong to me. 4. Gore actually won the election, had the court system not intervened.