American citizen decapitated in Iraq

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    Anthony.

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    Stop seeing conspiracies everywhere people.

    There was a Canadian citized taken hostage in Iraq because they tought (with no reason) he was an Israeli spy. Those guerillas seem dumb enough to me to decapitate someone. Yes, killing an hostage is dumb cause you get nothing else than more bombs.

    Those people can't see they're also burying their country in deep ####. If they want the U.S. to leave, they have to stop starting hell everywhere.
     
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    If this was a truly authentic video, they would've decapitated Berg while he was still alive. However, since it was staged, they killed him first, with lethal injection no doubt, so that he would die painlessly. The men in the video speak poor Arabic in Russian accents and even slip and speak in Russian a few times. One man is wearing a gold ring and another is wearing sneakers, both of which go against Islamic teachings. They're also all overweight and out-of-shape. When's the last time you saw a fat terrorist? Also, they use a military-issue knife to cut his head off. Berg is also placed in a chair similar to the one seen in the prisoner abuse photos. The colors of the walls of the video and the prison are the same as well. Coincidences? I think not.
     
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    If anyone has seen the Daniel Pearl execution video, when the Al-Qaeda decapitate him, blood spews everywhere. The video is cut and edited, but unlike in this video they don't show the head to the camera. Another difference, the Pentagon urged all internet providers of this video to cease with their sharing. The Pentagon has done nothing with this video, and the Daniel Pearl was less than a week after it was shown.
     
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    lol
    talking about terrorist out of shape
    what do you think they need to capture a hostage? muscles?
    you think some "i ll be back" figure comes on them?
    guns is what counts
    and by the way rings could be against islamic teaching but not every moslim does that....but about the blood,..it is possible that they have used some injection. and colours of walls that can not be used as a tracing or a clue to some direction.
     
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    the terrorists are on the chubby side. When you're running from your enemy's troops in the desert without much food to eat, chances are, you'll be underweight.
     
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    Did they cut his head off the same with Nick?
     
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    I watched the video, and its really not that bad at all.. Maybe its just me, i didnt even well think anything really about it being gruesome especially.. But yes it is inhumane. He definitly looks dead, he doesnt move when hes turned over, and hes all floppy and there is hardly any blood. Its fake.
     
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    I agree.




    And the idea that it may be fake does actually make sense. There is a lot of evidence but I guess it's not for me to decide.
     
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    Did they cut his head off the same with Nick? [/b][/quote]
    You mean, in the same way?
     
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    Yea but these people are supposed to be muslims. How do you expect a Jihad group (soldiers that die for god) to cross the line with their beliefs.
     
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    Did they cut his head off the same with Nick? [/b][/quote]
    Yes.

    The only difference with the Daniel Pearl video is that he was well and alive. You can hear him gagging and choking and suffocating on his own blood, and the blood pours out of his neck. The Nick Berg video is nothing like that. When they push him over, he just falls over. He doesn't struggle or anything. He's completely rigor mortiseseded (new word). Daniel Pearl struggles when he gets decapitated.
     
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    If this was a truly authentic video, they would've decapitated Berg while he was still alive. However, since it was staged, they killed him first, with lethal injection no doubt, so that he would die painlessly. The men in the video speak poor Arabic in Russian accents and even slip and speak in Russian a few times. One man is wearing a gold ring and another is wearing sneakers, both of which go against Islamic teachings. They're also all overweight and out-of-shape. When's the last time you saw a fat terrorist? Also, they use a military-issue knife to cut his head off. Berg is also placed in a chair similar to the one seen in the prisoner abuse photos. The colors of the walls of the video and the prison are the same as well. Coincidences? I think not. [/b][/quote]
    Nick Berg was awfully subdued for someone who's about to be decapitated. Also, there wasn't much blood spouting when they started sawing his head, but when the head came off, blood was everywhere. Anyway, although not impossible, I find it kinda strange that radical Muslims would wear gold rings and sneakers. :wth:
     
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    You mean, in the same way? [/b][/quote]
    Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front?
     
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    If this was a truly authentic video, they would've decapitated Berg while he was still alive. However, since it was staged, they killed him first, with lethal injection no doubt, so that he would die painlessly. The men in the video speak poor Arabic in Russian accents and even slip and speak in Russian a few times. One man is wearing a gold ring and another is wearing sneakers, both of which go against Islamic teachings. They're also all overweight and out-of-shape. When's the last time you saw a fat terrorist? Also, they use a military-issue knife to cut his head off. Berg is also placed in a chair similar to the one seen in the prisoner abuse photos. The colors of the walls of the video and the prison are the same as well. Coincidences? I think not. [/b][/quote]
    Does Ben Laden look in great shape? No, yet he is the leader of the world's biggest terrorism network.

    Do you speak Arabic? If no, can you swear they have a Russian accent?

    Iraq was a country, even under Saddam's regime, more modern than other Arab countries. They could as well have sneakers and such.

    Finally, do you think someone doing such a video would do what you consider "mistakes"? There's like an impossibility that those facts are errors.
     
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    Yes.

    The only difference with the Daniel Pearl video is that he was well and alive. You can hear him gagging and choking and suffocating on his own blood, and the blood pours out of his neck. The Nick Berg video is nothing like that. When they push him over, he just falls over. He doesn't struggle or anything. He's completely rigor mortiseseded (new word). Daniel Pearl struggles when he gets decapitated. [/b][/quote]
    Another thing was that the terrorists in the Pearl video didn't give any speech before executing him, yet Pearl did. He talked about America's foreign policy, and why we should stop what we were doing, apparently pressured by the terrorists to do so in order to make a point on the issue. Nick Berg said nothing of the sort, yet only spoke of his family and his origin. Shortly after Nick Berg's words, the terrorists begin to speak.

    About the terrorists wearing shoes: They're terrorists, who hate Western culture, who apparently want to seek revenge on the prisoner abuse in Iraq against America, and they're wearing American tennis shoes?

    Another thing, wearing rings wouldn't be the "Muslim" thing to do if they're trying to support their God and start a Jihad.
     
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    On one hand, all of the evidence suggesting the execution was staged makes perfect sense.

    On another hand, if the military was to release a fake video, would it really be this sloppy? I think not.

    So goddamned confusing.

    I hate the world.
     
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    Thats the point!! Bin Laden is really skinny but the men in the bergs video were fat.

    I'm an Iraqi and can speak arabic, so I can clarify that the man in the video did have an accent.

    People #### up. I guess they rushed it.

    Would you wear shoes that is made by your worst enemy? I think not.
     
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    Like, did they cut his head off from the back of the neck or from the front? [/b][/quote]
    Couldn't see, most channels didn't show it and when they did, it was blurred. I have the impression that the Arab put the knife on the right side of his neck and started cutting towards the left side.
     
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    I think they stap in from the left and than start cutting to the front. :mellow:
     
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    If they started cutting from the front then there is no reason for blood to not have splattered all over the place. Most of the arteries in your neck are close to the front, so if it gets severed there is absolutely no reason it shouldn't start spouting blood.

    Unless, of course like many people figured, Nick Berg was dead at least ten hours prior to the decapitation.
     

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