what works with one person might not work with the other. have you ever talked to a psychopath? they think nothing like this and police don't scare them shit. they'd tell you that they would kill the cops as well and get themselves on the front pages of newspaper. maybe this kid has a psychopathic streak already. what is there to make him feel. the question is why are psychopaths the way they are and could there be a way to make them feel? cos you and i and most others can see something hurtful and be sickened by it, they like it. it might have worked with your brother but maybe this kid is too far gone. and school and police should ask the parents for agreement first, if they don't agree with that kind of treatment.suggest parenting classes and councellor for the kid, both may be beyond normal. for normal person it may have been enough, for beginning of the psychopatic personality as this kid may be, not. most problems root in the family and most problematic families are those that pretend that there is no problem, the mom sounds just like that. just guessing, don't know the situation, but just throwing this angle in to ponder.
Your mom threatened to take your brother to the police station because he wouldn't stay seated in the car? I've never heard of anyone doing that...ever. Kinda odd, but if it works(threatening, not actually doing it...cuz I mean thats a harsh consequence for not staying seated in a car).
Your mom threatened to take your brother to the police station because he wouldn't stay seated in the car? I've never heard of anyone doing that...ever. Kinda odd, but if it works(threatening, not actually doing it...cuz I mean thats a harsh consequence for not staying seated in a car). [/b][/quote] It was an empty threat, but he didn't know that. It's not traumatizing either, it's just that children fear policemen and will obey orders from parents if threatened to be brought to the police station. This was a matter of life and death, if he didn't stop getting out of his car seat, he would've most likely been killed a few months later when we got whiplashed from behind. A good lesson learned at a young age hurts no one. So maybe now you'll realize why it was necessary to do so. If he won't listen to my mom's orders, scare him into doing it. Same thing here, this kids going to hurt or maybe even kill someone if he doesn't get taught a lesson. I must say that the handcuffs were excessive, though. And iamthe..; I wouldn't be quick to diagnose a kid as a "psychopath", that's unfounded. No five year old is an evil psychopath, it's unfathomable. At a young age, their minds can still be curbed, sometimes with the little help from a scare or two (which won't traumatize them). This kind of behaviour strings from numerous things; including problems at home (such as abuse), attention wanting, and a constant feeling of inferiority, among others. You can try going into counciling and all that expensive psychotherapy babble, but why not try the easy "lesson-teaching" approach through a little scare? If it doesn't work, you can continue with all the doctors and whatnot. I know you may not feel the same way as I do, and I think I remember you saying something about you having children. I notice why you'd be protective. You seem like a reasonable person who knows how to teach their children right from wrong, though. These parents obviously have no clue and if they're not going to be the solution, maybe the authorities and a little scaring will work.
i see your point Mark. nobody knows about the home situation, but as i was suggesting, i am looking at the possibility of his situation being real bad and him being beyond the reach of being able to feel empathy or remorse. kind of suggesting the extreme. the scare may work with some, but some kids wont be scared by that even if they are the normal kind. my mum used to threaten me to take me to childrens home, i would have actually welcomed it!! anything better then my family, right?so i just got smarter at rebelion. and a lot of that behaviour can do with boredom. i had a stint at teaching in a school, 13 year old teens with the fuck ya bitch attitude (in my country), i have a backbone so i didnt take it, but i got them occupied so much that by the end they were bringing me poems, making songs, putting a play together in English., they were happy, and learning along the way. (yeah, if i have a kid you must have kind of worked out i am not in my teens guys!kind of Chester age). so my points briefly - parents should have been consullted, so kid experts so he would never be accused of child abuse,problem looked at deeper - why is this kid acting this way, what is he lacking that he tries to get by behaviour like that? would this scare work with him or not? would some other more confidence building approaches work.
It was an empty threat, but he didn't know that. It's not traumatizing either, it's just that children fear policemen and will obey orders from parents if threatened to be brought to the police station. This was a matter of life and death, if he didn't stop getting out of his car seat, he would've most likely been killed a few months later when we got whiplashed from behind. A good lesson learned at a young age hurts no one. So maybe now you'll realize why it was necessary to do so. If he won't listen to my mom's orders, scare him into doing it. Same thing here, this kids going to hurt or maybe even kill someone if he doesn't get taught a lesson. I must say that the handcuffs were excessive, though. And iamthe..; I wouldn't be quick to diagnose a kid as a "psychopath", that's unfounded. No five year old is an evil psychopath, it's unfathomable. At a young age, their minds can still be curbed, sometimes with the little help from a scare or two (which won't traumatize them). This kind of behaviour strings from numerous things; including problems at home (such as abuse), attention wanting, and a constant feeling of inferiority, among others. You can try going into counciling and all that expensive psychotherapy babble, but why not try the easy "lesson-teaching" approach through a little scare? If it doesn't work, you can continue with all the doctors and whatnot. I know you may not feel the same way as I do, and I think I remember you saying something about you having children. I notice why you'd be protective. You seem like a reasonable person who knows how to teach their children right from wrong, though. These parents obviously have no clue and if they're not going to be the solution, maybe the authorities and a little scaring will work. [/b][/quote] yeah, An Empty Threat is fine, but actually going through with it seems a bit extreme to me.
Ye but who says 5year olds can't do any harm ? [/b][/quote] Didn't a six year old bring a gun to school and shoot and KILL a little girl a few years back? No matter how young the kid, violence is a serious thing. While I think that the principal overstepped himself, the kid's behavior does warrant some kind of action. Maybe something like seeing a child psychologist or family therapy.
Didn't a six year old bring a gun to school and shoot and KILL a little girl a few years back? No matter how young the kid, violence is a serious thing. While I think that the principal overstepped himself, the kid's behavior does warrant some kind of action. Maybe something like seeing a child psychologist or family therapy. [/b][/quote] If you're talking about the one I'm thinking of, there's a huge 15 minute part in Michael Moore's "Bowling For Columbine" about that. A boys mother has to go on a bus every morning at 5am and returns late at night becuase she's part of a government-inforced welfare project. The boy is left at his uncles, finds a gun, brings it to school, and shoots the little girl in her head. Devastating story. At the end of the movie, he starts interviewing Hugh Hefner (head of NRA), and Hefner walks away and refuses to say anything once Moore brings it up. He goes inside and locks his doors. Moore leaves a picture of the little girl stood up on his front porch and walks away in tears. I believe the shooting happened in Michigan?
If you're talking about the one I'm thinking of, there's a huge 15 minute part in Michael Moore's "Bowling For Columbine" about that. A boys mother has to go on a bus every morning at 5am and returns late at night becuase she's part of a government-inforced welfare project. The boy is left at his uncles, finds a gun, brings it to school, and shoots the little girl in her head. Devastating story. At the end of the movie, he starts interviewing Hugh Hefner (head of NRA), and Hefner walks away and refuses to say anything once Moore brings it up. He goes inside and locks his doors. Moore leaves a picture of the little girl stood up on his front porch and walks away in tears. I believe the shooting happened in Michigan? [/b][/quote] ive seen bowling for columbine. i was actually thinking about that too. amazing documentary. i liked when they did that k-mart thing.
If you're talking about the one I'm thinking of, there's a huge 15 minute part in Michael Moore's "Bowling For Columbine" about that. A boys mother has to go on a bus every morning at 5am and returns late at night becuase she's part of a government-inforced welfare project. The boy is left at his uncles, finds a gun, brings it to school, and shoots the little girl in her head. Devastating story. At the end of the movie, he starts interviewing Hugh Hefner (head of NRA), and Hefner walks away and refuses to say anything once Moore brings it up. He goes inside and locks his doors. Moore leaves a picture of the little girl stood up on his front porch and walks away in tears. I believe the shooting happened in Michigan? [/b][/quote] Yes, mostly. Detail--it wasn't Hugh Hefner, it was Charlton Heston, wasn't it? My advanced sociology teacher my senior year had us watch Bowling For Columbine. I remember now that that particular segment had many of the class in tears. The film as a whole was something of a damper to our end-of-the-year high spirits...Columbine was a suburban high school full of well-off kids--and a few not so well off. In our after-film discussion, a lot of people seemed to think that something like that could have happened at our school, which was enough to scare anybody. I repeat the thesis of my previous post--violence needs to be taken seriously. While responding to violence with more violence (i.e. handcuffing a rambunctious child) isn't the best way, the warning signs do need to be heeded if violence in schools is to be decreased.
A bit on the subject, I'm not sure where I stand, maybe the kid deserved it. It just depends i guess on other circumstances. I remember in fifth grade, i think i was, we went on a trip to a prison and the inmates talked to us about what is was like and how we need to be on track. It had an affect on me.