yeah, I know it's "stupid" but.....

Ok, I read some of the posts on here about suicide. And I know some of you think its "stupid", but it some instances, can it really be prevented?
I mean, yeah, it's sad when someone around you dies from this sh*t. I know, I had one of my best friends do it. But in total honesty, can you blame people for trying? Yeah, we've all been depressed at one point in our lives, and and some people have even seriously considered suicide, and some have even done it. And it sucks, yes I know this. And it is a serious issue.
But who, WHO, dares to even have the right to say that it's wrong? No, Im not saying it's "right" either. What is "right", no, Im serious, who has the TRUE definition of the word "right"? Huh? Is it you? No, I didnt think so.
And you sure as hell shouldnt call someone stupid for thinking about, or considering it. If you took the time to think about what you were saying, you'd realize that might push them over the edge. It just doent help. You dont even know how many times someone has come up to me saying shiz like "Oh, how come you do that to yourself? It's just so stupid, I dont understand why you'd do that." And it just makes me feel even more sorry for myself and gets me one step closer to leaving it all behind.
So, that's my position, I might even be on this side all by my lonesome. Which isnt rare. So, just try to understand WHY these people are talking about it freely on here. They're looking for hope that someone understands and will help to save them. Well, at least that's why Im here. We all need friends at this point in anyones lives to just be there for us and help us through.

P.s. Extrmele sorry if I bored you too much, but you shouldnt have read it all, so it's your fault. NAwwww, just kiding.
Peace out, keep calm, rock hard, and show some looooove!

 

I believe that if you commit suicide your a very selfish person. Everyone has problems in there life, get over it. Killing yourself doesn't make anything better, but instead makes others depressed and sad. It's hurting everyone around the person who commits it, and obviously its hurting them. Don't think me to be a cold hearted person, I'm stating the facts, what does suicide truly do?

Now if this topic was on slitting your wrists, my opinion would be different, but I won't go into that at the moment, but if a thread concerning that did open I would.

 

Yeah, I agree, it is selfish, but is it wrong?
And I dont know what it does, to be truthful. Cause, in case ya hadnt noticed, Im still here, but if I do try it, I'll get back to ya!

Naw but seriously, I think that it's bad, but I just dont want to come out and say its wrong. Because I lost my best friend to suicide, and I could never live with myself if I ever said he was wrong about anything. He was my life, and I lost him. It sucks, and I want to go so bad. But I know I'd hurt the people around me just like he hurt me. SO I try not to think about it.

And on the subject of wrist cutting: I do want to hear what you think. This is and open discussion that has to do with anything about suicide.
But please dont rag on the cutters. I am one. I do it, I admit it. Im ashamed yes. It's "stupid" I realize that. But I dotn think Im selfish for doing it.

 

Ok, yes you do have the right to say that. I just had a brain lapse and didnt really have the right words to say.

But what about the people who have the real, permanant problems?
This is the stuff people around me and I have to deal with:
Loss of a loved one
Being abused by my "father"
Constantly being outcast and shunned from any form of happiness
Drug problems
Friends constantly calling you stupid for sh*t you dont have any control over doing
Never being good enough for any of your parents
Constantly having to see your mom being beaten and abused by her new boyfriend while knowing you have no control over it
Always trying to find any form of comfort in a relationship while after all is said and done, ending up being used then left once again, for dead
Knowing that the only reason you keep this knd of information from people you love is because you feel they'll leave you just like everyone else you let into your life, and when you do finally open up, they just push you out of thier lives and go on as if they never knew you.
And the only thing that keeps you going is the fact that there are people out there, though it may be few, that truly understand what you are going through, and hopefully you'll find some form of acceptance among them.

Wow, I really should stop rambling, huh?

And yes, people have the right to say anything they want, they are opinions. But please dont set me aside from everyone else because of my opinions. That's all they are.

 

Well, I certainly don't think it's right. Suicide is the coward's way out, any way you slice it. I totally agree with what Shadow said, also.

 

Good point.... good point.... true... true...
Wow, some people have really true opinions on this.... and I just hope everyones being honest and not just saying things cause thats what other people believe....

Oh and, Todd, I totally agree... rap musics sucks.... shhhhhh, dont tell anyone I said that.....

And Shadow.... you seem to have some strong opinions.... you're cool.

 

Nope, this is totally what I believe. I also think that the increasing suicides are no one elses fault but societies. American society is making suicide out to be something that's not all that rare, when at one time it was. It's even glorifying it in some instances, what with the Kurt Kobain story (if you believe it's suicide or not...) and the whole "It's better to burn out then to fade out" attitude. Also, the whole 'punk' image, in a lot of ways it's making suicide seem like a normal thing. It's not something normal and it's not a thing people should think about.

 

What do you mean by the "punk" image?
I've been profiled way too many times as a goth because of what I believe. Wouldnt it be more understandable if you said the whole "goth" image instead of "punk". When I usually think of punk, I think of loud Sum41 music, and skateboarding, and, being who you are, and having that happiness in your life that lives through your friends, and really just not giving a rats ass what people think. I should know, thats what I truly am, people just see what others are as what's on the outside. Without even taking a closer look into whats going on inside. And I hate that.

 

What do you mean by the "punk" image?
I've been profiled way too many times as a goth because of what I believe. Wouldnt it be more understandable if you said the whole "goth" image instead of "punk". When I usually think of punk, I think of loud Sum41 music, and skateboarding, and, being who you are, and having that happiness in your life that lives through your friends, and really just not giving a rats ass what people think. I should know, thats what I truly am, people just see what others are as what's on the outside. Without even taking a closer look into whats going on inside. And I hate that. [/b][/quote]
Some punk bands nowadays are mildly suicidal. Take 'Taking Back Sunday' for example. Cute Without the E is a (to me) suicidal song. It could influence people.

 

Good point, I should have substituted 'punk' with 'goth' Anyway, it's only contributing to the stereotype I just reffered to.

 

Wow, you know, thats true also...... but I hate stereotypes, they suck. And they're usually always wrong. I mean, take this guy I knew for example.... everybody thought he was a major prep, even the preps. He killed himself, wow, we were all shocked, no body knew why he would do such a thing. It really took me by surprise and made me realize people arent always what they seem to be, and we should treat people right, no matter what they do. Or who they are.

And Link, I have so much respect for you its not even funny.

And to Alacrity, true, that song does seem to be mildly suicidal. Good point. And yes, some punk bands can seem to be mildly suicidal, but in truth, dont you think LP has some moments like that? Take Easier to Run for example, it seems to me that there might be a tiny hint of suicidal thoughts in that song. Buuuuut, I could be wrong....

 

i think suicide is only not stupid when its actually to a point where its truly necessary.

you for example, you dont have it bad enough to actually think about commiting suicide. if you actually have enough money to have a computer, let alone an actual house, time to spend on a computer not having to work 24/7, not having to starve to death, or are free form some kind of serious disease that is truly making you suffer, i dont think you should be worrying about suicide.

unless you are to the extreme point of suffering and there is absolutely no way you can fix anything, then you should be just fine. like im sure you dont live in a third world country in some hut where theres a parasite of some sort going around and they have to go through some kind of vile procedure to get rid of it. i think youd rather choose to live your current life than being one of those people.

 

I agree, Pyro. And also with Suicidal about the stereotypes. There's a saying that all stereotypes come from some form of truth, which I can see, but it doesn't speak for every human on earth. Humans are so different it's a waste of time trying to classify them or horde them into a larger catagory. Besides, that's what turns people against each other in the first place.

 

OK, once again, awesome point, but your missing one little bit of information....

1. I dont have a computer
2. I dont have my own house, I live with my friend (whom this comp belongs to)
3. The only reason Im living with my friend is because I was removed from my house because of an abusive father and since I have no other relatives and my mother is not "fit to take care of me"
4. I was recently in the hospital because of reasons I'd rather not discuss (make of it what you will, I dont care, just dont ask me about it)
5. And I do have to work my own job, not 24/7 because of school

But you are right my friend. I do not have any reason to think of suicide, honestly. But I never said I did. All I said was I cut myself, that's all. Not really trying to kill myself. I couldnt bare to do that, I know it would hurt people way too much cause Ive been through it. And I am fortunate, because some people have it worse than I do, but that just makes me feel even worse. I cant stand to see people in pain, but pain is inevitable, just like death.

 

Yea, the way I look at it, there are so many other people worse off than I am. In my country, in the world. Killing myself would be pointless and in a move of stupidity.


Oxygen, food, water, shelter, and people like us that care about you is all you need

 

Hey dude, I completely agree. It is what turns people against one another. I mean, how many times have you heard someone say, "I hate preps" , "I hate posers" , "I hate goths" blah blah blah!
Dont hate people for what they are! Profiling is very wrong. Yet we do it. Why? There's absolutely no reason I can think of except it makes certain people feel better about themselves.
Which brings up yet another issue. All anyone thinks about is themselves, and what they want, what they need. I strongly believe that if people just took the time to even consider what other want, need, feel, etc., then all this sh*t would prtty much end. I cant explain what I mean better than saying sh*t. That's the only way to describe it. Sh*t= racial profiling, descrimination over religion, stereotypes, etc.

Oh, you dont need to cal, me Suicidal, if you want you can call me Rhia. Just figured I'd say that, just in case, ya know?

 

I'm not going to use the word "stupid." I may have before regarding this issue, but I'm not sure if it really fits right now.

Suicide, especially when you're a teenager though, is not the answer. When you get older, you get more control over your life. You get more control to make things better.

I know you've probably been through more #### in the past year then I've been through in my whole life, but that's no reason to end it. Your young. You shouldn't give up yet.


Edit: This is a good topic Rhia...people need to talk about things like this.

 

*cries*
I dont know why, but you seem like one of the coolest people I've ever known.... I dont think I could respect you more than I already do... you're awesome, truly dude.
You're almost as cool as Mike.... ALMOST!

 

Wow, a lot of replies.

Anyways, my thoughts on cutting:
I think it is a harmful to eleviate stress. I believe it helps by taking your mind off of whats going on around you and focus on the cut and the blood. After a while a few friends say it stops being painful and begins to feel good. I don't endorse cutting, but I would say it is a accurate way to relieve stress ... no one ever said it has to be a healthy way to release stress to be a good way.

Now suicide is in its own group. I've had friends commit suicide, I know it's hard. You say you've had the same thing, and that it hurt. You wouldn't want the ones you love to feel that very same way would you? Granted, some have harder lives than others, but suicide won't help anything. There are better ways to help get you through painful events. I write, it's a great way to express yourself. I also play the bass guitar and the electric guitar, music is my life, music gets me through the day, suicide is the end, you'll never have another chance ... you won't even have time to regret it, because when your dead - your dead.

To your post about friends calling you stupid for stupid #### ... some friends. Friend(s) = a person who cares for you no matter what/will help you through any problems. (Source = ShadowOfAMan's brain)
You'll make a lot of good friends on this site who will help, if you want them to. I, being one of them, would like to be your friend and help you through problems. Nobody can do everything for you though, you are the one that makes up your mind, no one can change or alter your mind, they can only slightly persuade.

I hope this post has helped.