And what was that again? :wth: All I remember is us blowing up a few buildings and taking their leader away. ... Is it true that little terrorists-to-be get guns and scuds and sh*t when they turn 15?
We've done something for them? Oh yes, we've bombed countless civilians, more casualties than the 9-11 attacks in those alone.
Oh, I agree with both of you completley. We did nothing for them. But all the supporters of war are saying crap about how we did so much for Iraq, blah blah blah and how the Iraqis are better off now. Of course it's all BS though
Oh and here I was thinking that bombing helpless civilians was helping us against terrorism. Silly Iraqies, WMD's are for Americans. (not we've found any, and if you did have them we gave them to you in the first place).
Time to send in the troops! I don't give a sh*t if any of you disagree, its time to start shooting some of the armed anti-american people and start laying down the law over there. We're trying to be peaceful while we're getting our heads blown off, now it's time to cut the sh*t and start fighting back.
Oh...yeah I guess you're right. We should just start shooting everyone there. Oh hell why not nuke the entire country? After all, its completely the Iraqi's fault that their in the situation they're in. It has nothing to do with the outcome of WWI, WWII, and the fact that we just bombed the #### out of random civilians. Yeah, too bad they couldn't run their own country, after all it sure looks like the rest of the world did a great job running it for them. I really can't imagine why they're pissed, maybe it has something to do with the 10,000 Iraqi civilian casualties inflicted by our presidents jihad for oil. Don't worry though, just say God Bless America ten more times and all is forgiven, after all, religion has always been an excuse for the worst tragedy's in history, why should that change now?
How is boming them and killing them peaceful? [/b][/quote] Okay so its not alright to kill the iraqi terrorists yet it's alright to stand around like a bunch of jackasses and allow ourselves to lose more American soldiers everday? Right. Get off your friggin peace trees people. Our soldiers are f*cking dying and we're doing nothing about it, we're just reporting it and not fighting back. Think about how crazy you're sounding, you're making it seem like its alright for them to be killed. Stop being a modern day hippie and look at the facts, we helped that country by removing Saddam Hussein. And don't even give me that bullsh*t about oil again, I'm getting so sick of hearing about that when there has been so much proof its not the main cause for the war that it makes me sick. Oh and since the Bush bashers are flying in here again, what do you say about half a million jobs being gained this year alone? Oh yeah and incase you forgot we recentely gained 308,000 jobs in a single month. That's the biggest raise in 4 years, aka since Bush came into office. So yeah, one of Cash And Kerry's many arguements against Bush now lacks fruitition. But I'm going to get out of here because this is a really sore topic with me and I'm not about to lose my cool over it.
Okay so its not alright to kill the iraqi terrorists yet it's alright to stand around like a bunch of jackasses and allow ourselves to lose more American soldiers everday? Right. Get off your friggin peace trees people. Our soldiers are f*cking dying and we're doing nothing about it, we're just reporting it and not fighting back. Think about how crazy you're sounding, you're making it seem like its alright for them to be killed. Stop being a modern day hippie and look at the facts, we helped that country by removing Saddam Hussein. And don't even give me that bullsh*t about oil again, I'm getting so sick of hearing about that when there has been so much proof its not the main cause for the war that it makes me sick. Oh and since the Bush bashers are flying in here again, what do you say about half a million jobs being gained this year alone? Oh yeah and incase you forgot we recentely gained 308,000 jobs in a single month. That's the biggest raise in 4 years, aka since Bush came into office. So yeah, one of Cash And Kerry's many arguements against Bush now lacks fruitition. But I'm going to get out of here because this is a really sore topic with me and I'm not about to lose my cool over it. [/b][/quote] Sorry Derrek but as an Admin it is your responsibility to keep your cool above all others, its not my place to remind you of this but its the truth. You can't blame your personal emotions on others. Also, there has been plenty of proof to support the fact that the war was caused by oil, so no its not complete bull ####. So far your post has only served as a means to piss people off by insulting those who disagree with you, way to go. Let me reiterate and solidify my statements, as I for one won't get into a pissing contest with you. While it can be said that we're making it sound ok that our soldiers are being killed, we've never said that at all. We're the ones who said we didn't want this war in the first place remember! The republicans and bush supporters are just as guilty as the terrorists for the deaths of our soldiers in my mind, so don't go blaming it on us "Bush bashers". It doesn't even make sense. As for what I say about the 500,000 jobs created: -2,000,000 + 500,000 = -1,500,000 jobs I'm not saying its not an improvement, but saying that Bush is doing great things for the economy because he created 300k jobs when we still have the highest unemployment rate in recent history and a 7 trillion dollor national debt is like saying that the war in Iraq is all peachy cause we removed Saddam Hussein, while 10,000+ civilians have paid their lives for it. I never said I had a solution for the war, I don't see one. Most democrats never wanted this war in the first place so its up to our 'furrless' leader (god help us) get us out of it (though he won't, it will be up to the next president). What I CAN say is that killing more innocent people is NOT the solution. Its all fine and dandy that we got rid of Saddam, no one disagrees with that, the simple fact is there is little hope that the US will be able to establish a government there that will last more than a week without another ruthless dictator taking over who may be even worse than Saddam. I'm getting the impression that you don't know how the Middle East was formed, these people have had a ####-hole of a life compared to most other countries and going in and killing them is only going to give them more reasons to become terrorists and kill people. Point blank: I am looking at the facts. Here I'll even lay them out: Pros -Got rid of Saddam Cons -10,000+ civilian casualites -US soldiers dying -Lost most of our allies, and pretty much the world's respect -Economy in the #### hole (though improving now) -Increased terrorism as of late. -and the list goes on... It doesn't add up. This war cannot be seen in a positive light, no matter how much you want it to be. Killing more people won't solve anything, it will just cause more problems.
Alright, so you tell me to "keep my cool because I'm an administrator" then you make several antagonizing or otherwise smartass statements to agitate me if I wasn't already that way in the first place? Way to go junior, I'll give you the golden star of acheivement for your efforts. For all the "proof" that is passed around that the war was supposedly caused by oil, there is just as much proof around to consider that the oil concept is a complete and utter farce. It's just a big game of conservatists and liberals throwing their opinions back and forth in what can only be described as a virtual tug of war thats been going on for long before Bush came into office. Face it, everytime the United States has gone to war or decided to make some sort of controversial descision, there has always been some boy crying wolf in the corner, stating that we're money hungry or that we're a blood hungry country that likes to go to war. It's a crying shame. While your points are valid about how as Todd correctly stated it, "Bombing for peace is like f*cking for virginity", can you really call the people who are continuing to attack our american forces and who are more recentely, burning the bodies of our people and dragging them through the streets, truly "innocent"? If you ask me those people are more of a terrorist then the Americans could have ever proven to be to the Iraqi people. We were fighting for the peace of the Iraqi citizens and the removal of their oppressing dictator. The TRUE terrorists over there (not us) however, are killing Americans because of years of bullsh*t that has been fed to them that the Americans cannot be trusted and are only there to make their lives worse when in reality it's the other way around. Also, the topic of the civilian casualties has come up a lot in debates over the "War On Terror" but in case you've forgotton, civilians have been killed in almost every war that has happened on the face of the earth, its why war is never thought of as a positive thing and why many people (even me) want the terrorism and everything to be taken care of as quickly and humanly possible. Plus I can assure you, that while 10,000+ is a lot, it's nowhere near being the worst amount of civilians killed in a war that America has been involved in. I guarantee you that if anything, our enemies have tortured and killed more civilians on purpose then we could ever pray not to do by accident. It's not as if we ran into Iraq and said "THERE'S A CIVILIAN!! PUMP HER FULL OF LEAD.", all the deaths as with any war, were mistakes, and people make mistakes and shouldn't be considered less of a person for doing so. Just like America shouldn't be considered less of a country because of the high civilian death rate. It's not like they were using them for target practice (no heartlessness intended). Of course the country and the world is in a sh*thole right now, but if 9/11 had never happened I guarantee you Bush would have never attempted war with anyone or put the country in a large deficit. Don't blame our shitty situation solely on Bush. Remember, when 9/11 happened it hurt a lot more then just our economy.
If you don't want the soldiers dying, get them the hell out of Iraq! If the Iraqis are hostile even after you removed their leader, of course they have the right to be. President Bush has authorized the slaying of over ten thousand civilians. Many of these enraged people were probably friends or family or co-workers with these victims. The army has killed over three times as many people who died on 9/11 alone in the last year in Iraq. What they did to the American's was absolutely despicable, and I completely disagree with parading charred bodies down the streets, but I feel the Americans and company have no right to be there anymore. They've gotten rid of Saddam, so just hand them back their country and let them do whatever they want with it. If they go back to their old ways, then it's their fault for not standing up for what they want. Americans in Iraq are now dying because they're helping a hostile and ungrateful (not much to be grateful other than Saddam's removal) country.