Transsexuals elegible to compete in the Olympics

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    Kaleb.09

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    I just found this post on espn stating that the IOC (international Olympic comitee) is now allowing transsexuals to compete in the olympics starting with athens, however there is still some concerns whether male-to-female transsexuals would have physical advantages competing against women. I Highly doubt we will see a swarm of drag queens flocking to the olypics , I just thought I post this and hear your comments
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    Leslie

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    I think that the IOC has made a good decision. They have made it mandatory that the transsexual individual has had 2 years of hormone therapy after the sex change operation before they can participate, and this should put away the concerns of any physical advantages. I'm really glad that people are opening their minds to transsexuality.
     
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    Omar A

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    Sex change is just wrong :mellow:

    I think so because its just not human. I've seen a show where a guy tried to cut off his male genital with a lazor...you can be a homosexual without changing any body parts.

    And I don't think Transexuals show compete in the Olympics since the man transexuals (who turned into a women) can take advantage of a normal women since Men are born stronger.
     
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    Leslie

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    Okay, first of all, I don't want to get into an argument. But there is a difference between homosexuality and transsexuality. Those who are transsexual are not necessarily attracted to the same sex; they in fact feel that they are not the biological sex that they were born with and they wish to change their genitalia to match the gender that they feel emotionally. And this is the difference between homosexuality and transsexuality.

    Sorry if I may come off as rude, but I have taken classes on alternate sexual identities and know people that are transsexuals, and it frustrates me when people do not understand the difference.
     
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    Let's see if I can run through this without getting bored: Let it be known right here that Sex=physical, Gender=psychological.

    There are 9 things that make a (wo)man a (wo)man.
    (pre-birth)
    1. Chromosomal Sex --> XX vs XY
    2. Gonadal Sex --> testes and ovaries
    3. Hormonal Sex --> testosterone and estrogen
    4. Genitalia --> if the body produces (at this specific time) enough testosterone, a male genital will form. Enough estrogen, a vagina - no matter what
    5. Brain Sex --> 7 or 8 small areas of the brain are different for males and females
    (post-birth)
    6. Assignment & Rearing --> starts at birth when the doc says "it's a boy/girl!" Then continued throughout life
    7. Gender Identity --> how one thinks of one's own gender
    8. Gender Role --> how one acts (masculine, feminine, androgynous)
    9. Sexual Orientation --> the direction of one's primary sexual desire towards members of the same sex, opposite sex, or both sexes

    Where was I going with that? I don't remember now. It probably had something to do with letting Omar know he has this one wrong. :mellow:
     
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    Omar A

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    :(

    lol

    I still think its wrong...
     
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    LD50

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    A sex change certainly is unnatural, but when you consider Gender Identity and Sexual Orientation, it's easy to see how one's physical sex can conflict with one's psychological sex.
     
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    Neil

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    Ok, say a man is an athlete. He is used to the male races and events. If he has a sex change and joins the women's events, he has a big advantage. Very unfair. Changing your sex to become a champion. I suppose women who became men would be ok, but not men who changed to women.


    I hope I didn't offend anyone.
     
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    i think its a very good decision... but why didnt they allow it earlier? im not getting the big deal about it... transexuals are normal people arent they?
     
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    Omar A

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    Neil just said in his post why they shouldn't participate.
     
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    Neil just said in his post why they shouldn't participate. [/b][/quote]
    And if you people would care to read through every post in the thread instead of just reading what you want to, you would see that Leslie already stated that the Olympics Committee is not allowing them to participate if they haven't had the proper hormonal treatments that will make them so they don't have any advantages.
     
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    I guess I think they should be allowed. This is kind of a harder decision than homosexuals but...people do have their feelings, emotions, and desires.
     
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    Exactly. If they do it just to win, thats just wrong.


    Why do people turn transexual anyways?
     
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    Exactly. If they do it just to win, thats just wrong.


    Why do people turn transexual anyways? [/b][/quote]
    because theyre not happy with who they are... sometimes i get all confused about transexuals. does it mean theyre gay? think about it. if a guy wants to turn into a woman, that means he prefares men.

    will: im sorry... i didnt read the other posts...
     
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    And if you people would care to read through every post in the thread instead of just reading what you want to, you would see that Leslie already stated that the Olympics Committee is not allowing them to participate if they haven't had the proper hormonal treatments that will make them so they don't have any advantages. [/b][/quote]
    Transexual athletes have to:
    1)have their new sex accepted by the authorised agencies
    2)stopped their hormone therapy two years ago.

    There's a third condition too, but i cannot remember it. I'm ok with that new rule, provided transexual women have femalemuscular mass, otherwise it'll be unfair.
     
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    Exactly. If they do it just to win, thats just wrong.


    Why do people turn transexual anyways? [/b][/quote]
    A lot of people just have feelings pent up inside and are confused about their sexuality. I guess I could say I knew a transexual, I met them on another forum. At first I thought he was feminine, but then he ended up admitting to transexuality. You can't really tell them different from other people, he seemed completely normal to me.
     
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    Omar A

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    A lot of people just have feelings pent up inside and are confused about their sexuality. I guess I could say I knew a transexual, I met them on another forum. At first I thought he was feminine, but then he ended up admitting to transexuality. You can't really tell them different from other people, he seemed completely normal to me. [/b][/quote]
    Well didn't his chest seem weird?
     
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    :rolleyes:

    so it's okay for a woman to do it, but not a man?
     
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    Well didn't his chest seem weird? [/b][/quote]
    It was on another forum. Unless he saw a picture of the guy, he didn't know him from the outside world.
     
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    Conan O'Brien
     

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