The Official LPA LIVING THINGS Tier List

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    Minus

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    PLEASE LIST YOUR FAVORITE LP ALBUM (IF IT'S LIVING THINGS, PUT LT AND YOUR SECOND FAVORITE) WITH YOUR TIER LIST FOR FURTHER DATABASE PURPOSES. THANK YOU!

    I've never been a fan of rating songs from 0-10. I'm more partial to the idea of a tier list. Here's the basic idea:

    There are 6 tiers in which a song can be rated. It's purely subjective to your own point of view. I'll be compiling the overall opinions of the forum via a point system and updating this post with a definitive tier list.

    GOD TIER (SS TIER) - This is reserved for songs that you consider a complete mastery of music. If you can't think of anything WRONG with the song, it goes here. Worth 5 points.
    S TIER - Songs that are just short of perfection are S Tier. Worth 4 points.
    A TIER - This is for songs that are great but have shortcomings that prevent it from reaching near-perfection. Worth 3 points.
    B TIER - Good songs that have the potential to be great, but fall short. Worth 2 points.
    C TIER - This is for songs that you are ambivalent towards. The best description here is "average". You skip these songs about 50% of the time. Worth 1 point.
    F TIER - You just don't like these songs. At all. These songs are the ones you skip without fail. Worth nothing.

    So let's see your tiers!

    THE OFFICIAL TIER LIST! IT WILL SOON BE AVAILABLE IN A PRETTY GRAPHIC.
    UPDATED AS OF ROBOT MAN'S POST.
    GOD TIER
    Castle of Glass (0.79)
    Lost in the Echo (1.22)

    S TIER
    Powerless (0.90)
    Roads Untraveled (1.04)
    In My Remains (1.09)
    Victimized (1.19)
    Skin to Bone (1.28)

    A TIER
    I'll Be Gone (1.15)
    Lies Greed Misery (1.18)
    Until It Breaks (1.34)
    Tinfoil (1.33)

    B TIER
    Burn It Down (1.03)

    C TIER
    ---

    F TIER
    ---

    What are those numbers in parenthesis? Read the FAQ below concerning standard deviation.

    OVERALL ALBUM TIER: S TIER (1.29)

    FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
    How are you calculating the overall song tiers?
    We're using a method called median. You've probably heard about it in school. Basically, you list out all your ratings in order like so:

    1, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5​

    Then you choose the middle number. In this case, it's 4.

    What if the group of numbers is even?
    In the case of an even number of votes, we end up with 2 middle numbers. We average those to get the median.

    And what happens if THAT number is something weird, like 4.5?
    At that point, I will be rounding DOWN by default. A 4.5 is S TIER, but hasn't made it to GOD/SS TIER. I will NOT be rounding up or down for the graphic that is in the making.

    I voted 1 on a song that everyone likes or vice versa! What happens there?
    If you're one of only a few that has a vastly different opinion on a song, your vote will not bring down the overall score of that song like it would if we were using the mean (straight averaging). Rather, your score affects the standard deviation of that song.

    What is standard deviation?
    In layman's terms, standard deviation is a number that represents how varied the responses are. For example, a song that gets voted as A TIER 98% of the time will have a small standard deviation. In retrospect, if the median is A TIER but the votes are all across the map everywhere, the standard deviation will be bigger.

    TL;DR The smaller the number, the more consistent the voting was.

    How will you represent that?
    In the text version of the tier list, the std. dev will be represented by the number in parenthesis after each song.
    FYI: I'll be double-posting for the sake of keeping my personal tier list off the main post.

    I want to change my tier list. Can I do that?
    Yes! Just make sure you PM me or post in this thread with a URL to your post so I can change your values!

    Why are you asking for my favorite album?
    It's a surprise.

    Why do you hate Meteora so much?
    What's a Meteora?
     
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    GOD TIER
    Castle of Glass, Roads Untraveled, Skin To Bone, Victimized

    S TIER
    Until It Breaks, Tinfoil, Powerless

    A TIER
    I'll Be Gone

    B TIER
    Lies Greed Misery, In My Remains

    C TIER
    Lost In The Echo, Burn It Down

    F TIER
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    Hard to have a GOD TIER when all the songs are so short. Amirite?
     
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    If you don't have any songs that you feel are GOD TIER, then you don't have to have any. It's purely subjective; you can completely opt out of any tier that you feel isn't displayed in the album.
     
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    Yoinking your code.

    GOD TIER
    Lost in the Echo, Castle of Glass, Roads Untraveled, Skin To Bone

    S TIER
    I'll Be Gone, Powerless

    A TIER
    Tinfoil

    B TIER
    In My Remains, I'll Be Gone, Lies Greed Misery, Until It Breaks

    C TIER
    Burn It Down, Victimized

    F TIER
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    SS Tier - Until It Breaks, Skin To Bone, Roads Untraveled

    S Tier - Victimized

    A Tier - I'll Be Gone, Castle Of Glass, Tinfoil/Powerless, In My Remains

    B Tier - Lies Greed Misery

    C Tier - Lost In The Echo, Burn It Down

    F Tier - None
     
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    You're missing Until It Breaks.
     
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    This kind of reminds me of the criticism Portal received when it first came out. People lauded the writing, the comedy, the atmosphere, the score, the concept, the puzzles, everything about the game. The only persistent criticism (that was used almost unilaterally) was that the game was too short. There was no actual shortcoming with the game itself - no reviewer said the plot was rushed or got cut off - but reviewers are used to games with campaigns that take longer than 4 hours to complete. I'm sure 90% of game reviewers today would agree that Portal is one of the best games released in the last 10 years, even with how short it was.

    Edit: @Minus, fix'd
     
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    SS Tier- Lost In The Echo, Tinfoil/Powerless

    S Tier- Skin To Bone, Castle of Glass

    A Tier- Lies Greed Misery, Roads Untraveled, Victimized

    B Tier- In My Remains, Burn It Down

    C Tier- Until It Breaks, I'll Be Gone
     
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    GOD TIER
    Roads Untraveled, Lost In The Echo

    S TIER
    Castle of Glass, I'll Be Gone, In My Remains, Powerless, Skin To Bone

    A TIER
    Burn It Down

    B TIER
    Tinfoil

    C TIER
    Victimized, Lies Greed Misery

    F TIER
    Until It Breaks
     
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    GOD TIER
    LOST IN THE ECHO, CASTLE OF GLASS, ROADS UNTRAVELED, POWERLESS, IN MY REMAINS

    S TIER
    I'LL BE GONE, UNTIL IT BREAKS, VICTIMIZED

    A TIER
    TINFOIL, LIES GREED MISERY, BURN IT DOWN, SKIN TO BONE

    B TIER
    ---

    C TIER
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    F TIER
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    Just as an FYI, I'm rounding for the purposes of the written list. I'll be using the actual averages for the chart to more accurately reflect where each song stands.
     
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    Question - I get the 0-5 point rating, but what do you use to get the aggregate tier list? Do you average out point totals for each song?

    Edit: Why do you have to be such a ninja?
     
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    Something something Asian, something something born with a black belt.

    For a bit more of an in-depth explanation, I've taken the liberty of giving you this screenshot:

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    The written tier list is based on rounded averages, as shown in the last column. The actual graph will look something like this without the x-axis and will be based on the actual average (second-to-last column):

    [thumb]http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2012/05/21_noeltierumvc3.jpg[/thumb]
     
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    GOD TIER
    Tinfoil

    S TIER
    Castle Of Glass, Roads Untraveled, Powerless, Until It Breaks

    A TIER
    Skin To Bone

    B TIER
    Lost In The Echo, In My Remains, I'll Be Gone

    C TIER
    Burn It Down, Lies Greed Misery, Victimized

    F TIER
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    Thank you, I just snorted coffee out my nose. Jerk.
     
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    GOD TIER
    POWERLESS, ROADS UNTRAVELED




    S TIER

    LOST IN THE ECHO, I'LL BE GONE, IN MY REMAIN, UNTIL IT BREAKS, CASTLE OF GLASS




    A TIER

    BURN IT DOWN, LIES GREED MISERY, SKIN TO BONE




    B TIER
    VICTIMIZED, TINFOIL



    C TIER
    ---

    F TIER
     
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    I might actually add an x-axis to rate consistency. For example, Roads Untraveled would be on the far right whereas a song like Until It Breaks would be on the left. Something like the average of the highest and lowest score. Roads Untraveled would be rated at a 4 (the sum of 5 and 3 divided by 2) whereas Until It Breaks would be rated at a 2.5 ([5+0]/2). I'm aware of the flaws in this (Burn It Down is at a 2, but is consistent in scores) and will think of a better system later.

    EDIT: Possibly taking that high-low average and dividing it by the tiered average? In this case, Roads Untraveled would be a 0.875 whereas Burn It Down would be a 1.17? If you see any flaws, let me know!
     
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    SS Tier - Castle of Glass, Roads Untraveled, Until It Breaks

    S Tier - Skin to Bone

    A Tier - In My Remains, Tinfoil/Powerless

    B Tier - Victimized

    C Tier - I'll Be Gone, Lost In The Echo

    F Tier - Burn It Down, Lies Greed Misery
     
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    Great idea Minus. :)

    GOD TIER
    UNTIL IT BREAKS

    S TIER
    CASTLE OF GLASS, IN MY REMAINS, I'LL BE GONE, VICTIMIZED

    A TIER
    LOST IN THE ECHO, ROADS UNTRAVELED, TINFOIL/POWERLESS

    B TIER
    LIES GREED MISERY, SKIN TO BONE

    C TIER
    BURN IT DOWN

    F TIER
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