What the hell is going on with this world.I am just disgusted with this world.We have mothers cutting the baby's limbs and now this.If that girl didn't want the child why did she have unprotected sex in the first place? :angry:
why did you change give birth to having unprotected sex? whatever, this is what happens when you dont have an abortion
why did you change give birth to having unprotected sex? whatever, this is what happens when you dont have an abortion [/b][/quote] Hah, you'd love to think that wouldn't you? This happens when you decide to be irresponsible.
vampire is right, abortion might be better option in that case then murder, but before abortion does come irresponsible behaviour. if she werent irresponsible in the first place, she wouldnt be pregnant! dont think abortion is a good birth control. bit drastic, it can be much easier by using other birth control methods then that!
I don't know the situation, but it sounds like she probably paniced or something... I don't know, but people usually do not throw things over when it still has certain things attached... And in the event, she probably cut it quickly and all of that. It does sound like she got freaked out or something... Maybe the birth was just too much for her... I agree though, this is insane. I don't know, people are taking odd extremes nowadays no matter what the situation... And yes, this could have been prevented if she were protected.. unless protection broke, then she has no one to blame but herself... Killing an innocent child because of your mistakes and actions is just not cool at all in my opinion...
It's funny how religion doesn't permit abortion, but they also get extremely angry if you have a child and you don't want it. Just a thought.
These forums are starting to feel too much like the American media. Too many death stories and not enough life-saving/improving ones. Let's try to have an equilibrium.
it was probly a combination of feeling so overwhelmed thinking that thier life is over and that they will have to live w/ the shame of having a baby out of wedlock forever. Japan is big on that whole honor thing. and yes if there was aborition, this wouldn't have happend. i stand by that. that doesnt mean that they (not just her) should have been responsible. and the morning after pill is kinda hard to get ahold of sometimes. my friend was just looking for it two months ago and is was $50 for 3. it used to be free. im not sure what happend. i think you guy shoudl giver her a break. im not saying it wasnt a horribly guesome thing that she did, but do be in a state of mind where u can actually do that, she must have been insane w/ grief. her parents were probobly filling her head w/ how she has brought shame to the family and she was told it would ruin her and her partner's lives. her head was filled w/ so much she couldnt think.
@ You and Vampire: Blaming the child on the mother is a VERY cold remark. What if she was earning a living as a prostitute, or she was raped? If thats not the case, no mention is made about the baby's father, who probably pressured the mother into having sex with him in the first place. :wth: You also must realize that birth control methods may not have been widespread in Hong Kong, and it could have been a poor area where they didn't have the money to get contraceptives. Some of us aren't nearly as fortunate as ourselves. <_< First of all, there needs to be a premium on education and literacy in order to make sure people know that having a baby at an early age is usually disastrous for the mother and the child (the father of course, takes no responsibility). This is why she threw it out the window! I mean, she is still a child and has no ability to take care of a baby without ruining her life over it, unless she has tons of support from her relatives. She probably didn't have that or she wouldn't of panicked at that. Contraceptives should also be introduced/made more accepted in more countries where old traditions die hard. About abortions...I believe in abortions, but only to a certain point. I don't think its the cure-all for premature pregnancy but with some research they should probably draw a line at when they should stop doing abortions (like 2-3 months or so). On top of that, the government should promote tolerance to make sure abortions are more acceptable, more so for those with strictly religous beliefs. I think abortions should be for really big accidents, those who are prostitutes, or for people who have been raped. Please, go into a little more thought than blaming it on the mother. What I hate about news is that they don't analyse the situation and in this case they make the mother out to be this cruel murder when even though she did murder someone (and I am not endorsing this kind of behaviour) there is much more to it than that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This sounds like a bona fide US news story, for sure. I think, Mark, that we should put a bit more "Canadian"ness in the SC edit: Hybrid soldier, you got in while i was writing all this, good point
Actually, Neil, that's incorrect. I'm assuming you're talking about Christianity on this one. Most people don't know it, but there is virtually NO evidence in the Bible condemning abortions, or the practicing thereof. In fact, it's more of the "Christian Culture" that incorrectly generalized all abortion as a murderous wrong. If anyone would like to try and prove me wrong, I'd love to hear it.
I search for the interesting stories. I don't find some dude saving someone elses life interesting. I'm twisted.
So I should pity someone who's a slut? Hahahahaha. Raped but decided to do nothing about it for 9 months? And the father pressuring the mother -- so I should not feel anger towards her but the father? Right, it's all the father's fault. The only point I was making is that abortion is not a way out unless you were raped -- otherwise, be responsible.
Firstly, have you ever thought that abortion clinics may not be available in some sections of Hong Kong? Maybe if they were she would have done something about it withing 9 months. Secondly, the woman has the right to choose whether a life develops within her body or not.
She sure does have the right but maybe she should do it when she's ready. Obviously, if you're throwing a child over your balcony after it's born, you're not ready to have a kid and anyone with common sense can tell you that. I don't see how abortion (killing the child) is a better alternative than dumping it over a balcony (killing the child).
Alright. I will answer your question if you can prove to me that a fetus is indeed a "child." There's a very fine line, between "life" and "person." Killing a person is murder. Murder is illigal. But is a fetus a life or a person? In my opinion, it is not a person, but a life. A life that the woman has the right to terminate within a certain window of immaturity. Throwing a born child person over a balcony is murder. But a premature fetus? Is that really, aslo, murder? I am open minded though, I ask you to please prove to me that a fetus is a person.
Fetus: In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo. Young: Being in an early period of life, development, or growth: offspring. Offspring: A child of particular parentage. Child: An unborn infant; a fetus. Infant: A child in the earliest period of life, especially before he or she can walk. Life: The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism. organisms: An individual form of life, such as a plant, animal, bacterium, protist, or fungus; a body made up of organs, organelles, or other parts that work together to carry on the various processes of life. Animal: A human considered with respect to his or her physical, as opposed to spiritual, nature. Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
According to most dictionaries, (Webster's included), murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a human person at the hands of another human person, especially with malice aforethought. So that still leaves the question: Is a "child" in the womb, a human person. We can't get a straight answer from any dictionary on this one. According to some of their definitions companies like Dell are "a person", so I turn to logic instead. Premise, Fact 1: Human persons possess a functioning brain. Premise, Fact 2: Human embryo's and fetus' up until the third triemester do not possess a functioning brain. Conclusion, deduced fact: Human embryo's and fetus's up until the third trimester are not human persons. Ok, so we've established this as fact. You could still make the case that when a baby passes the third trimester mark, it is a human person. If you wanted to argue that, I would have a hard time making a rebuttle. However, according to the NAF (National Abortion Federation) over 90% of all abortions occur in the first two trimesters, when the life is not a human person. From these established facts and figures, we can now say that over 90% of all abortions are, indeed, not murder. Is that grounds to make the whole practice illigal? Of course not, if only 10% of all abortions could be called murder. But are the last percentage of abortions even murder? In reality, only a handful of doctors in the United States will perform an abortion in these late stages, and are predominantly done when there are either serious complications of the human child, and/or serious complications to the health of the mother. Would you rather lose one life or two? If you chose two, then YOU, are the murderer.