"Session" - Song by Song, Let's Talk Linkin Park

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  1. Captain-EO

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    Lost in the Echo was one of the song that got me to appreciate Living Things. One of the very few tracks that features Joe scratching on the album, which in itself is a rarity these days. I especially love it with the live intro, although I wish we could have heard that from the studio album. Even though the guitar is buried with the synths, it serves the track well, especially the opening staccato riff. Only complaint? Not really a fan of the end of Mike's first verse. I absolutely love the synths though.
     
  2. BTorio

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    Lost in the Echo, easily in my top five and probably in my top 3 with the classics In The End and Numb. The first time I heard that synth hook...it was so catchy... it just made me smile as this band I had come to know as always making something with sounds I had never heard before had done it again. The way it breaks into the guitars is so perfect, I can jump around to the intro of this song any day. The layering and mixing is also perfect throughout the verses, Chester's "oh's" add a ton to the verses, and the bridge is absolutely insane. The vocal glitching that was first introduced in WTFTE/Blackout is just as good, if not better here. And holy crap, that rap verse that comes after is insane. The lyrics are simple, but dang, such great delivery. And the walls of synth and guitar that come down in the bridge feel more impacting than any "drop" in THP. The final chorus with the overlapping vocals is a stroke of genius. Sometimes I listen and I'm singing along with the light singing part, sometimes I screaming along with the other vocals. And the way he holds the last "GOOOOO" is amazing, and always done well live. I'm so glad I got to see the song in full in 2013, and even though it was shortened it was still great @ Carnivores.

    Chester always seems to dance around like crazy to this song and it makes me want to, too. They all seem pretty into the song, and you can definitely tell Chester wants to do it justice the way his screams are always top-notch on it. Also, you listed that video as being from 2012, but I'm pretty sure it's from 2013, shortly after SSMF.

    I love the way Chester screams "Let you go". It sounds different than his other screams, this time it has some quality to it....like it sounds more desperate or something rather than angry. Truly the greatest song to get you through a breakup lol.

    If I was to nitpick, I would point out that this song falls into the category of songs where Mike's rap feels disconnected to the chorus, but not nearly as much as other songs. In addition, Mike's rap isn't terrific, but it's much better than things like KTTK or AFN where he's just rapping about rapping. Not that I don't appreciate that time to time, but I just enjoy this so much more. My only other complaint would be that the sound of the chorus is just a little too...cluttered? Like, the instrumental depth I feel in the rest of the song just kinda feels like it peaks and all becomes one wall of sound. It doesn't sound bad but it could be slightly more interesting.

    This is probably the most HT/Meteora feeling song since those albums imo , besides maybe UIG or AFN. That isn't a bad thing at all to me. I love the stuff that's far away from those albums and I certainly love this song.

    The extended intro live is fantastic, I would do anything to get a special edition of LT with that as an intro track, similar to Wake or Intro. Hopefully the song sticks around live for a long time.
     
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  3. minuteforce

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    Yeah, I really love that live intro. I don't like Shinoda's lyrics too much but his delivery and performance on this track is nice and energetic. When the guitars kick in for verse 3, it's magic
     
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    When Living Things came out, i was very hyped for LITE after all the short snippets. It was really nice to listen to the intro , one of the best song intros for me in LPs discography. The build up is amazing and very energetic, perect for playing live (damn you LP for short it for the THP Tour :kappa: ) As some people mentioned, ii like how this song always sound fresh, i think this is pretty cool. Mike raps are good and Chesters chorus is amazing , love how he is singing "And this promises broken, deep below [...]" and the scream bridge always remind me a bit on Blackout. Mikes bridge rap is my favorite Mike thing on this song, its more powerful than the normal verses. And the ending of the song is fantastic. The changing "GO! go. GO! go." is pretty cool. All in all one of my favorites on LT.

    TO Holding Company: I really like how this is mostly another thing than the end product, i love how "happy" the song sounds. It reminds me a bit on Iridescent, maybe thats why i like it alot :lol:

    I think its pretty cool with adding vocals: https://soundcloud.com/lex-garcia-1/linkin-park-holding-company-lost-in-the-echo-custom-mashup

    Great Post Faint Into Pieces :)
     
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  5. Atticus

    Atticus Bullets lance the bravest lungs

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    Thanks everyone for the generous words! It is definitely A LOT of work compiling all of that information as Fillip has told time and time again. Considering I'm currently working towards a degree that involves document design and such, I wanted to bring some extra flare to the presentation, to make each post feel more meaningful.

    Also as much as I frequent the forums, I will not be holding a concrete schedule for each song. But it should be every 2-3 days depending on the level of interaction in this thread. With school and work I can't promise specific times and places of postings, but I will try my best.
     
  6. Captain-EO

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    I might as well also give my bit on the remix as well while I'm at it.

    The KillSonik remix remains one of my least favorites on Recharged, mainly because to me it seems like all they did was add some synths and drums in to make it capitalize upon "the dubstep sound" popularized by Skrillex, Kill the Noise, etc. The other tracks seemed to have a little more ingenuity behind them. Simply put, I don't think KillSonik was right for the job. They're more suited to remixing a band like Korn, whose sound, as proven by The Path of Totality, can fit well with heavy dubstep beats and synth.

    I'd like to discuss this remix pretty in-depth, because honestly it's my least-favorite thing associated with LP. Period. I think Dave's Beat sounds better than it.

    Also, a note on the song, I'm certain that Joe is scratching the vocals in the bridge interlude, it's not glitching or anything. It sounds a lot like he's utilizing the crossfader heavily, plus there are several spots in which you can hear scratch sounds on the instrumental track. The reason you can't hear them on the song is because Chester is screaming over top of a lot of the scratching.

    [video=youtube;8xoFDOOvcRk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xoFDOOvcRk[/video]
    At 2:21 the scratches begin, and notable and clear sounds that sound very much like a brake effect on a turntable are at 2:26 and 2:37. It's even more evident that this has to be scratching on the multitrack, on the "effects" track.

    Of course, if you guys mean scratching by glitching then I'm just wasting my time but I just wanna share what seems to be an undeniable fact to me that I perceive to not be well-known. I'd also like to point out that most of what sounds like guitar is actually synth, as it is with a lot of LT, because the guitars are actually buried pretty low. They're actually not that heavy sounding either, most of the heaviness comes from the synth.
     
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    "Echo" seems fitted for dstep reworking, though, just looking at its tempo and halftime rhythms
     
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    I think the remix is nice. I hold the original to such heights it would be impossible to beat it but I do like the way the drop is timed to the scream and such. I'm never a fan of sped up vocals though, it would be a lot cooler if Chester recorded a fresh track and just did it faster to match.

    Also, by glitching I did mean scratching. I've never done anything related to what Hahn does or any digital music production whatsoever so I don't know the terms well.
     
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    Nevertheless, now you know it's scratching lol.

    I just can't get into what KillSonik did with LITE in the remix. It's literally the only remix I didn't like off Recharged. I like the intro, but after drop I just can't do it.
     
  10. brady

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    Lost in the Echo is a great album opener for LIVING THINGS, and really gives you a taste of what the record would sound like as a whole and even sets up the lyrical theme of betrayal for the album. The opening synth is probably one of my favorite sounds that Linkin Park has created. As Faint into Pieces stated, it's very radiant and I just love the flow and sound of it and how Mike's raps flow perfectly with the synth. And that's probably what I love most about his rap. It just flows so smoothly and while it's not the best lyrics he's ever written, they're pretty damn good.

    I listened to Lost in the Echo a lot when my girlfriend dumped me. It just showed me that I shouldn't get all down and depressed over some girl and I should just learn move on (which is something I struggled with in previous experiences).

    Moving onto fan remixes of this song, I absolutely love the happy tone found in both m_macdonald's remix and RostaSliwka's remix. Also recommend checking out hybridsoldier's more darker mash-up between Lost in the Echo and Buy Myself (Manson Remix).

    And weirdly enough, I love playing the lead synth of Lost in the Echo backwards. It just sounds cool.
     
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    Amazing post, man.

    I don't like LITE as a song. It just doesn't sound pleasant to me at all. Mike's rapping on the song is just ugh. Although, I don't hate the music video like some people here do, in fact, I like the twist in the video. Holding Company is beautiful though.
     
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    Lost In The Echo is my least favorite song on Living Things. The chorus is good and the interplay between vocals at the very end is kinda clever. But Mike's verses is what makes this song unbearable for me. Beside the fact that he (once again) raps about nothing, he sounds very cheesy. It sounds like he's freestyling without any ideas of what to say.
     
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    I don't understand how no one can draw any connections between Mike's verses and the chorus. I can see how no one can get it for the end of the first verse. But the first verse is setting the stage of a relationship in which someone was the foundation, the person who broke the promises, the person who is being let go. He followed, too taken to let go.

    "Test my will, test my heart", that entire verse is about how he's going to stay strong in the face of adversity. He's not gonna back down, he's gonna let it be known that he can hold his own, because he can let go. It's not that hard lol. It's very easily and simply strung together.
     
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  14. GraveDigger388

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    New style post!!

    Ok,about LITE.This song is a powerhouse for this album IMO.The video gives me chill."Each word gets lost in the echo" is such a great line.Overall,I like this song.
     
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    This basically. The whole song is a play on relationship problems but this time instead of taking the punishment and abuse, the character is standing up for themselves in a rather uplifting if aggressive manner.
     
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    LITE is an awesome song, and one of the heavier ones on LT. One of their best in recent years.
    Mike's verses are a bit meh, but at least it's not Wastelands.
    Chester's sections are epic, especially the outro.
    The remix is ok, I guess. I like some bits of it.
    Also, I wish they would play it in full at concerts, with the Holding Company intro. Beautiful stuff, that.
    8/10
     
  17. brady

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    Have you looked into the lyrics, like, at all? It's not too complicated to figure out. The first verse is basically about putting all of your trust into a significant other just to have them break that trust, then realizing he is perfectly fine without them anyways.

    drpdrp97 summed up the second verse perfectly.

    The third verse/bridge is basically Mike saying that he'll just learn from this failed relationship and he won't dwell in sadness.
     
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    I always take the second and third verse as someone just hyped on adrenaline....like when you're at the gym and you just feel super determined. Mike's not spitting poetry, he's just hyped and ready to fight and not be put down.

    I forgot to talk about the music video...I don't like the video at all. Huge let down with how great of a song it is. The editing and visuals didn't have any of the energy in the song, the only thing that the video got right imo is the color scheme.
     
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    I used to love LITE more than I do now. Of course, I still do enjoy it quite a bit, but as with a lot of stuff off of Living Things, I just can't enjoy it as much anymore. I wish they would have kept the demo instead, but I can definitely see why they changed it. The instrumental is really nice though, and I never even realized that you could hear Dave's bass until I listened to the instrumental once more.

    EDIT: Forgot to mention that I enjoy the vocal interplay, and I actually enjoy Mike's raps in this song.
     
  20. Tocaraca

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    Everyone I know in this forum is way to critical in some way or another.
    haters gonna hate :kappa:

    This is my favourite song on the album along with Powerless. The rapping I feel is great work from Mike (screw you haters), the lyrics I listen to as much as the song, except I never try to interpret what it means (unlike some motherfuckers). The chorus is nothing really special, but one thing I like about LITE is having another rap verse as the bridge, which they failed to do in Wastelands (I mean, come on where's the fucking bridge section?!). The thing that makes me get into the song is the awesome instrumental I hear in the intro, and I always get sad when the song ends.
    But then I'm never disappointed by a great In My Remains afterwards.
     
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