Linkin Park...Gothic?

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    brownvision03

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    so...does anyone think linkin park are getting darker in there music? Give me a reason why or why not. I honestly think they have changed since Hybrid Theory. Numb video...why the hell did it show scars on that girls wrists. that's like telling everyone to slit there wrists.
     
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    I don't think you mean 'gothic'. I'm sure you mean 'darker' because 'gothic' music is more along the lines of Marilyn Manson and such.

    With the evolution of Linkin Park's music, they have grown more serious and darker, yes, but I do not believe 'gothic'. Rap is not gothic and the raps Mike Shinoda throws down in songs like "Faint", "Hit The Floor" and "Nobody's Listening", those are by far, any resemblense to "gothic" music.

    I think you should choose your words a bit more carefully next time ;). If you're judging their appearance, that's not gothic, either. That's more along the lines of a more grunged feel as all of the Meteora videos (except maybe Somewhere I Belong) has. Faint, Numb, and From The Inside's style of video has the band in not 'nice attire' wear, but more 'street-like' clothes.

    If you're asking this because of the font the new logo has come to look like, then take into consideration that the font is not 'gothic' for if it was, then I guess college diplomas are signs of Satanism too, right? :wth:

    I personally don't think the band 'gothic' in any way.

    edit: I do take this to offense, because the term 'gothic' is overlooked as 'dark' or some sort... Like if you were to see a person dress in all black... They're for some reason, automatically 'gothic'.
     
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    I wasn't directing the comment directly at Linkin Park. it doesn't matter what they wear. No, college diploma's aren't gothic...Or 'darker' but are they all black? do they make you want to slit your wrists? Or do they make you feel proud of accomplished however many years at school?Do diploma's show video's of Numb with a girl slitting there wrists? How about being neglecting by everyone? Think about it. Sometimes you can't always back up Linkin Park, you actually have to start thinking for yourselves. And not have your world go around Linkin Park.
     
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    uuuummmm yeah i think they've gotten more into the darker scene, but not gothic. in a way i agree with both of you (brownvision03 & keaton)
     
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    Okay, so... I'm going to try and be understanding.

    Are we taking this to the article where a girl blames the band for a suicide attempt?

    As for the Numb video, what would you expect...? Would you expect the girl to be running around in a bed of flowers which has absolutley nothing to do with the song? No, because the band knows better than that. No where on the video does it show the girl acutally cut her arm. Not only that, we see in the video just how she gets rid of the rage and anguish. She takes it out on her painting, not slicing her arms up.

    Neglect? There's been neglect in Linkin Park's videos? Well, I guess you live a pretty good life then... A lot of targeted audience to bands like Linkin Park aren't in the best of situations at home. Neglect is one of the problems. It might be because their parents are busy, or they just rather have nothing to do with the child. So again I ask you, would you rather see a serious side of Linkin Park, one that shows you not everything is perfect, or would you have them lie and pose as pop star bands who get all the chicks?

    You want proof? Well, I am living proof to this. No, I don't have a diploma written with a wonderful font, in my opinion and no I am not a 'goth', but I am a type of fan these bands to target for comfort and closure on our parts. We're people who don't have the perfect, preppy lives and we're shot down by those who do or believe they have the 'perfect lives'. It's people like that who don't understand the real world... Or they don't understand that not everyone's like them and that problems they don't have might be problems others do go through every day of their lives.

    I'm sorry to say, but if you're thinking that Linkin Park is a 'goth' band for showing the real problems that the underdogs of the world go through is wrong, then that's ignorant because not everyone lives a life where they can smile every day and tell people they're fine. The world doesn't work that way and either way you put it, the problems forever stay. I have throught about this, I've thought about this since the day I've had a problem like this come into my life. Look at me, I haven't attempted suicide, I haven't blamed the band for my actions. I take not negativity, but pride that a band is willing to show us the real emotion and raw feelings behind the world we live in rather than sing about crap that may never even happen to half the people you know, not including the perfect preppies. I also believe if you think wearing all black is 'gothic', then I suggest you take another look around, because a lot of times, people will wear all black for the hell of it, but they're not directed as being a 'goth', yet others get targeted for that. Ever thought of it as being something they like to do rather than point out if they're 'gothic' or not?

    Not everyone lives the life the media portrays.
     
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    i think they're just sort of adjusting the change of lyrics in meteora,but they're definatly not gothic...
     
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    OK, you were understanding...
    and I get your point and all.
    like all the things you said are just pur (prime)
    but... Not all people are underdogs, not all people are preps, no ones perfect, and sometimes people can't just sit in the dark and let their emotions tear themselves apart. I'm sure linkin park understand this, as Chester was sexually abused as a child, but this is our time, not theres, now kids are just starting to try exactly like there favorite bands. Like Linkin Park wouldn't, want kids to start slittin' or nothing but they want to be exactly like there role models. Do what they do, wear what they do. and let subliminal messages get to them.
     
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    Well, you know, if you've seen their DVD (Frat Party at the Pankake Festival), they don't wallow like their lyrics do. I'm sure (or hope) we'll see that side of them in Live in Texas, but yes, I know the things they give off are negative, but if a fan or listener is going to follow in the footsteps of their so called 'favorite-band', you can only hope their intellegence is high enough to get to know the band, because outside of the music industry, the guys are great. They're funny, never really serious until it's work-time, and that's really a plus, because a band who sings about such deep things can come out after it and still love themselves for it.

    I understand the problems in the world and the role models musicians have become, but I also believe it's the own person's fault to anything physically done to themselves or anyone else. I just find it to be the ignorance in the world that makes these things happen... People who look up to what the media throws out is just stupid.
     
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    i think this is a really good question, my view is they have matured and gone darker, expect their next album to be that little bit darker
     
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    i dont think the album really got darker... like yeah there are some dark songs...but there are dark songs in hybrid theory too..i just think meteora is a complete different dynamic side linkin park ... and i wouldnt say that linkin park gothic either... like they are just reprsenting how their music can be related to anyone...even gothics...anyways i hope you kinda understand what im saying...
     
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    I personally think Hybrid Theory was a darker, more "mysterious" album. Meteora doesn't have that..it's just heavier.
     
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    I honestly it's kind of sad how Keaton is talking about his graduation diploma, considering that I am just a simple 14 year old grade 9er. Keep on truckin' Keaton. and yes, i do have to linkin park dvd, and it's good and all, but really my best friend listens to linkin park and everyday she just wishes she was dead, she says it's the music. So the media got one story on a girl slitting there wrists? think how many people around the world slit there wrists due to influential music. But really, why bother trying to save everyone? It seems you (Keaton) don't care about anyone except for you and your diploma. I applaud you Keaton. Way to argue with a person probably half your age. And yeah, sorry about using gothic, that was a bad term to use. so instead i'm changing it to "Way to argue with a 14 year old Keaton".
     
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    I'm 15 :mellow:.
     
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    What in God's name are you on?

    If you knew even HALF of what Keaton goes through, you'd see he has no reason to care about anyone but himself. Everyone where he's at hates him, and he uses the music he listens to as a way to escape from the world. That's the whole intent of Linkin Park. Their music is a means of escape from the real world.

    Linkin Park are not Gothic in the slightest. If you had any idea how hard it was to right songs, you'd know that Linkin Park laces meanings throughout their lyrics without actually coming out and saying what they want to say. That's the beauty of their lyrics. And, as for the "Numb" video: The lyrics are about a child who's expectations have been set way too high by her parents, and she can't stand it, so she cuts. It's as simple as that. She uses her artistic skills as a way to escape from the pain and anguish of the world. Linkin Park are NOT saying "go cut yourselves if you're lives suck!" No, they're not even CLOSE to saying that. AT ALL. Their lyrics can mean anything you want them to mean, but I don't know of ONE song where the band is telling you to go kill yourself. Not one.

    And, for the record, Keaton is your age. ;)

    Also, you have absolutely NO idea what being Gothic means. Gothic people have a set of beliefs that they follow, just like Straight-Edge people. They aren't religions, but they ARE something that these people believe in. Do they believe in these things to get them through life? Maybe. Do they believe in these things because Linkin Park's video told them to go carve the word "numb" into their arm? I REALLY doubt it. I REALLY, REALLY doubt it. For your information, being Gothic isn't about wearing all black. Wearing all black as a Gothic person is simply a custom. You can wear anything you want and still be Gothic as long as you follow the Gothic beliefs. I get called Gothic all the time because I wear all black sometimes, and I'm not Gothic at all. I also dress preppy some days, but I'm not a prep. To call someone Gothic just because they wear all black is really, really, really ignorant.

    I do not appreciate the way you handled this thread at all. First, you barge in, proclaiming LP is Gothic and wants you to slit your wrists. Then, you have the nerve to bash Keaton's opinion on the situation when you know absolutely nothing about the kid. I guarantee his life is rougher than yours because he's in a place where there's no one like him to relate to. If you had ANY idea what people like Keaton go through, you would be WAY more understanding of situations like the "Numb" video.

    True, not everyone is the "underdog" and not everyone is a "prep," and not everyone needs to resort to putting other people down to make themselves feel better. But it doesn't matter. Everyone is like this at some time in their life. Music like Linkin Park is a medium for kids who go through things like that to take out their anger on the world rather than going out to kill themselves. If it wasn't for Linkin Park's music, or any other band for that matter, there would be an even higher rate of suicide in the world. Sure, there are the people who take meanings of some songs WAY too literally and they actually act upon what the song is telling them to do, but that number is so small that it's completely overshadowed by the number of people who actually use the music to escape the crap they have to go through every day.

    I think I'm done. I hope you think about this long and hard.
     
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    then why the hell were you talking about your damn diploma? you frickin' lier, i might as well just say i'm a 30 year, and i'm out to get you. but do i? NO, because i don't lie, so stop makin #### up you #### up.
     
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    Okay, you're getting warned for flaming.

    He was making an analogy that just because that font is OLDE ENGLISH and NOT GOTHIC that does not make the diploma Gothic.

    Seriously, think before you post.
     
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    actually do you want to know what i'm on??? I'm on crack according to people at my school, so i take that as a compliment. and i don't care about keaton or will you both are just computer nerds with nothing better to do. So i thought i'd make a little debate so people would actually think out of the outside world, but it seems you nerds are just frickin' linkin park freaks, i was once, till i realized that there are more in life than bands and the internet. so suck balls will and keaton. go ahead just kick me out, or take this whole topic out to sh!t, at least you heard somthing more than 'linkin park are so cool' they are just people like you or me. so suck it up. and honestly, did i really say that olde english is gothic? no you guys just made it up you frickin' nerds.
     
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    I didn't say I had one. I was referring to the font they use, which is Old English, which ignorant people consider a 'goth-like' font. Since you're missing the entire point, I'll go with the crap you're throwing at me.

    1) If you read Will's post, he described my life perfectly. I am like the girl in the Numb video. I don't really have reliable people in my life, and look at me, I'm not dead. I'm alive and kicking in this messed up world, and instead of pouting about it, I'm doing something with it. People then come in and think they know everything and bash others without thinking.

    2) Who are you to judge me? It's obvious you know nothing about me seeing you multiplied my age by almost half, and please, it's people like you who assume you know everything and it makes you look ignorant.

    So how about we be a little more mature while we're at it. For one, using proper grammar when addressing a problem like so. Two, don't come back swearing up a storm; that makes you look ignorant.

    Learn to not judge things by sight, and maybe your ignroance won't show. It's people like you who make this world a hell of a lot worse, I'm sad to say.

    edit: And you really ought to learn to use grammar. I can tell you're a 14 year old by the way you type.
     
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    Okay... Within this post you've received your last 2 warnings, thus causing you to be banned. Hope you enjoyed your really, really short stay.

    You made a complete fool of yourself in this thread. I'm sorry (or am I?) that you have no idea what the real world is. Maybe in your perfect world you don't have to deal with what Keaton or I have to deal with, but you need to re-evaluate your life now before you destroy it.

    So, with that, you're banned for getting your last 2 warnings.

    [Edit:] I'm going to leave this topic open for discussion.

    Hopefully the more intelligent members can post better than this lunatic did.
     
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    I'm going to say one thing to all future posters, though.

    There might be others like me on these forums, and I'm just the one who doesn't let crap fly by like that, so listen up.

    The word "gothic" is not just you wearing black or having darker views. The word "gothic" is nothing more than a lifestyle to majority of people. Did you know there are 'goths' who wear jeans and regular shirts? It's true, and if I get the article from my friend, I'll prove it to you.

    All I'm saying is any future posts, I hope you guys can remember the word "RESPECT" because a lot of us are lacking it. I took a very large offense to this, because this is one of the reasons my life is hell. I'm not gothic, and I'm basically like any other kid. I just decide to dress differently, and people hate me for it.

    So please be respectful to all things said from here on out. Don't be afraid to admit things, but remember others have feelings. I tried to be respectful and I will continue to put up this debate, but I will do it in a respectful manner, I hope anyone else will do the same.
     

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