Best Album of '08

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  1. Daniel

    Daniel Run for your life. LPA Super Member

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    Wow it's been a while since I made a list in here. Might as well start over.

    01. Trivium's "Shogun"
    02. All That Remains' "Overcome"
    03. Protest the Hero's "Fortress"
    04. Bring Me the Horizon's "Suicide Season"
    05. Breathe Carolina's "It's Classy, Not Classic"
    06. Forever the Sickest Kids' "Underdog Alma Mater"
    07. 3OH!3's "Want"
    08. Metallica's "Death Magnetic"
    09. 36 Crazyfists' "The Tide And It's Takers"
    10. Austrian Death Machine's "Total Brutal"



    Essentially just waiting for "This War Is Ours", unless something surprises me.
     
  2. Chris.

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    01:: Shinedown - The Sound of Madness
    02:: Staind - The Illusion of Progress
    03:: Escape the Fate - This War is Ours
    04:: Innerpartysystem - Innerpartysystem
    05:: Lil Wayne - Tha Carter III
    06:: Metallica - Death Magnetic
    07:: Disturbed - Indestructible
    08:: T.I. - Paper Trail
    09:: Anberlin - New Surrender
    10:: Story of the Year - The Black Swan
    11:: Thrice - The Alchemy Index Vols. III and IV: Earth and Air
    12:: House of Heroes - The End is Not the End
    13:: Trivium - Shogun
    14:: Various Artists - Nightmare Revisited
    15:: Atmosphere - When Life Gives You Lemons, You Paint That Shit Gold
    16: N.E.R.D. - Seeing Sounds


    Looking forward to: Fall Out Boy - Folie a Deux, Kanye West - 808 and Heartbreak, Jay-Z - The Blueprint 3, and the supposed Eminem album that is expected to be released this year.
     
  3. Daniel

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    01. Trivium's "Shogun"
    02. All That Remains' "Overcome"
    03. Escape the Fate's "This War Is Ours"
    04. Protest the Hero's "Fortress"
    05. Bring Me the Horizon's "Suicide Season"
    06. Breathe Carolina's "It's Classy, Not Classic"
    07. Forever the Sickest Kids' "Underdog Alma Mater"
    08. 3OH!3's "Want"
    09. Metallica's "Death Magnetic"
    10. 36 Crazyfists' "The Tide And It's Takers"

    Can't really see this changing too much, unless Fall Out Boy surprise me or I discover someone new.
     
  4. Jordan

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    Top 5

    01: Thrice - The Alchemy Index Vol. III & IV Air & Earth
    02: The Mars Volta - The Bedlam In Goliath
    03: Nine Inch Nails - The Slip
    04: Opeth - Watershed
    05: Cynic - Traced In Air

    The rest in alphabetical order:

    Alestorm - Captain Morgan's Revenge
    Alkaline Trio - Agony and Irony
    All That Remains - Overcome
    Bigelf - Cheat The Gallows
    Birds Of Tokyo - Universes
    Bleeding Through - Declaration
    Bullet For My Valentine - Scream Aim Fire
    The Butterfly Effect - Final Conversation Of Kings
    Children Of Bodom - Blooddrunk
    City and Colour - Bring Me Your Love
    Cog - Sharing Space
    Cult Of Luna - Eternal Kingdom
    Dance Gavin Dance - Dance Gavin Dance
    Death Cab For Cutie - Narrow Stairs
    Disturbed - Indestructible
    DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown
    Filter - Anthems For The Damned
    Firewind - The Premonition
    The Fratellis - Here We Stand
    The Getaway Plan - Other Voices, Other Rooms
    Gwen Stacy - The Life I Know
    Iced Earth - The Crucible Of Man
    Ill Nino - Enigma
    In Flames - A Sense Of Purpose
    Less Than Jake - GNVFLA
    Machinae Supremacy - Overworld
    Mindless Self Indulgence - If
    Mogwai - The Hawk Is Howling
    Nine Inch Nails - Ghosts
    Norther - N
    The Presets - Apocalypso
    Protest The Hero - Fortress
    The Roots - Rising Down
    Scars On Broadway - Scars On Broadway
    Secret & Whisper - Great White Whale
    Sigur Ros - Something Icelandic
    Sky Eats Airplane - Sky Eats Airplane
    sleepmakeswaves - In Today Walks Tomorrow
    Sleep Parade - Things Can Always Change
    Taproot - Our Long Road Home
    This Is Hell - Misfortunes
    36 Crazyfists - The Tide And It's Takers
     
  5. minusxerø

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    So I got bored. :lol:

    //Top Albums
    01::The New Frontiers // Mending
    02::Utada Hikaru // HEART STATION
    03::Nine Inch Nails // Ghosts I-IV
    04::Nine Inch Nails // The Slip
    05::Artist Vs Poet // Alive Once Again
    06::Young and Divine // Young and Divine
    07::The Cab // Whisper War
    08::Jason Mraz // We Sing. We Dance. We Steal Things.
    09::Coldplay // Viva La Vida
    10::Shanghai Restoration Project // Story of a City
    11::she // Coloris
    12::The Roots // Rising Down
    13::We Shot The Moon // Fear and Love
    14::Pendulum // In Silico
    15::Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard // The Dark Knight Soundtrack
    16::Nas // Untitled
    17::Atmosphere // When Life Gives You Lemons, You Paint That Shit Gold
    18::InnerPartySystem // InnerPartySystem
    19::Jillian Goldin // Origins
    20::Jay Chou // Capricorn

    //Top Album Candidates
    Death Cab For Cutie // Narrow Stairs
    N*E*R*D // Seeing Sounds
    Murs // Murs For President ‡

    //Honorable Mentions
    Cinematic Sunrise // A Coloring Storybook and Long-Playing Record
    DJ Muggs and Planet Asia // Pain Language ‡
    E.S. Posthumus - Cartographer †
    Faster Faster // Hopes and Dreams
    Foxboro Hot Tubs // Stop Drop and Roll!!!
    Gym Class Heroes // The Quilt
    Jake Mai // Olivine EP
    Lydia // Illuminate
    Nada Surf // Lucky
    One Day As A Lion // Self-Titled EP
    Ours // Mercy (Dancing for the Death of an Imaginary Enemy)
    Panic at the Disco // Pretty. Odd. †
    Thrice // The Alchemy Index Volumes III & IV: Earth and Air †
    Weezer // Red Album
    The White Tie Affair // Walk This Way

    //The Rest
    10 Years // Division
    The Black Mages // Darkness and Starlight
    Destroy The Runner // I, Lucifer
    Edison Glass // Time Is Fiction
    Gavin Rossdale // WANDERlust
    Gnarls Barkley // The Odd Couple
    Ivoryline // There Came A Lion †
    Jon Foreman // Winter/Spring EP †
    Josephine Collective // We Are The Air
    The Medic Droid // What's Your Medium
    The Mile After // Armada EP
    Nomak // Recalm
    Oceana // The Tide
    PlayRadioPlay! // Texas †
    Portishead // Third
    Ratatat // LP3
    Story of the Year // The Black Swan †
    Tapage // The Institute of Random Events ‡
    Usher // Here I Stand

    bold new entry on list
    previously on top list
    previously off all lists

    //Judging/Queued
    Mariah Carey // E=MC²
    Hit The Lights // Skip School Start Fights
    Breathe Carolina // It's Classy, Not Classic
    The Myriad // With Arrow, With Poise
    Jade // Analogic
    Hammock // Maybe They Will Sing for Us Tomorrow
    T.I. // Paper Trail

    //Currently Awaiting
    Artist Vs Poet // Artist Vs Poet
    she // Unreleased EP
    Utada Hikaru // 2008 English Album
    Jay-Z // The Blueprint 3
    Kanye West // 808s & Heartbreak

    //Listening Stats
    20 - Top Albums
    03 - Top Album Candidates
    15 - Honorable Mentions
    19 - The Rest
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    57 - Total Albums Judged
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    07 - Judging/Queued
    05 - Currently Awaiting
     
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  6. Jordan

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    Have you listened to Bleeding Through's new one? Seems like something you'd like.
     
  7. barnes80

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    for the sake of saving my self alot of time I am not going to try to arrange it all into a list again right now so I will just list the new albums that are not on the above list that will deff be on my final one...

    Innerpartysystem - ST
    The Rasmus - Black Roses
    Rise Against - Appeal To Reason
    Senses Fail - Life is Not a Waiting Room
     
  8. Daniel

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    01. Trivium's "Shogun"
    02. All That Remains' "Overcome"
    03. Protest the Hero's "Fortress"
    04. Bring Me the Horizon's "Suicide Season"
    05. Breathe Carolina's "It's Classy, Not Classic"
    06. Forever the Sickest Kids' "Underdog Alma Mater"
    07. Escape the Fate's "This War Is Ours"
    08. 3OH!3's "Want"
    09. Metallica's "Death Magnetic"
    10. 36 Crazyfists' "The Tide And It's Takers"

    I've moved Escape the Fate down. See the other thread for reasons.

    @Jordan: Actually I haven't had a chance to do that yet. I might check it out when I get home. Thanks. :)
     
  9. minusxerø

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    So I've made a few concessions since some issues have come up. Mostly with me.

    If an artist has more than one album in any list, they will be combined for ease of having more artists in that list. This mostly applies to the Nine Inch Nails, Artist Vs Poet, and she when their second/third or whatever albums come out.

    //Top Albums
    01::The New Frontiers // Mending
    02::Utada Hikaru // HEART STATION
    03::Nine Inch Nails // Ghosts I-IV | The Slip
    04::Artist Vs Poet // Alive Once Again
    05::Young and Divine // Young and Divine
    06::The Cab // Whisper War
    07::Jason Mraz // We Sing. We Dance. We Steal Things.
    08::Coldplay // Viva La Vida
    09::Shanghai Restoration Project // Story of a City
    10::she // Coloris
    11::The Roots // Rising Down
    12::We Shot The Moon // Fear and Love
    13::Pendulum // In Silico
    14::Hans Zimmer & James Newton Howard // The Dark Knight Soundtrack
    15::Nas // Untitled
    16::Atmosphere // When Life Gives You Lemons, You Paint That Shit Gold
    17::InnerPartySystem // InnerPartySystem
    18::Jillian Goldin // Origins
    19::Jay Chou // Capricorn
    20::Breathe Carolina // It's Classy, Not Classic

    //Top Album Candidates
    Death Cab For Cutie // Narrow Stairs
    N*E*R*D // Seeing Sounds
    Murs // Murs For President
    The Myriad // With Arrow, With Poise

    //Honorable Mentions
    Cinematic Sunrise // A Coloring Storybook and Long-Playing Record
    DJ Muggs and Planet Asia // Pain Language
    E.S. Posthumus - Cartographer †
    Faster Faster // Hopes and Dreams
    Foxboro Hot Tubs // Stop Drop and Roll!!!
    Gym Class Heroes // The Quilt
    Hammock // Maybe They Will Sing for Us Tomorrow
    Hit The Lights // Skip School Start Fights
    Jade // Analogic
    Jake Mai // Olivine EP
    Lydia // Illuminate
    Nada Surf // Lucky
    One Day As A Lion // Self-Titled EP
    Ours // Mercy (Dancing for the Death of an Imaginary Enemy)
    Panic at the Disco // Pretty. Odd. †
    Thrice // The Alchemy Index Volumes III & IV: Earth and Air †
    Weezer // Red Album
    The White Tie Affair // Walk This Way

    //The Rest
    10 Years // Division
    The Black Mages // Darkness and Starlight
    Destroy The Runner // I, Lucifer
    Edison Glass // Time Is Fiction
    Gavin Rossdale // WANDERlust
    Gnarls Barkley // The Odd Couple
    Ivoryline // There Came A Lion †
    Jon Foreman // Winter/Spring EP †
    Josephine Collective // We Are The Air
    The Medic Droid // What's Your Medium
    The Mile After // Armada EP
    Nomak // Recalm
    Oceana // The Tide
    PlayRadioPlay! // Texas †
    Portishead // Third
    Ratatat // LP3
    Story of the Year // The Black Swan †
    Tapage // The Institute of Random Events
    Usher // Here I Stand

    bold new entry on list
    previously on top list
    previously off all lists

    //Judging/Queued
    Mariah Carey // E=MC²
    T.I. // Paper Trail
    Keane // Perfect Symmetry

    //Currently Awaiting
    Artist Vs Poet // Artist Vs Poet
    she // chiptek
    she // nights

    Utada Hikaru // 2008 English Album
    Jay-Z // The Blueprint 3
    Kanye West // 808s & Heartbreak

    //Listening Stats
    21 - Top Albums
    04 - Top Album Candidates
    18 - Honorable Mentions
    19 - The Rest
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    62 - Total Albums Judged
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    03 - Judging/Queued
    06 - Currently Awaiting
     
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  10. Jordan

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    Top 5

    01: Thrice - The Alchemy Index Vol. III & IV Air & Earth
    02: The Mars Volta - The Bedlam In Goliath
    03: Nine Inch Nails - The Slip
    04: Opeth - Watershed
    05: Cynic - Traced In Air

    Honorable Mentions:

    DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown
    sleepmakeswaves - In Today Walks Tomorrow
    Sleep Parade - Things Can Always Change
    Trivium - Shogun
    Haste The Day - Dreamer
    Sigur Ros - Something Icelandic
    Protest The Hero - Fortress
    Mogwai - The Hawk Is Howling
    Nine Inch Nails - Ghosts

    The rest in alphabetical order:

    Alestorm - Captain Morgan's Revenge
    Alkaline Trio - Agony and Irony
    All That Remains - Overcome
    Bigelf - Cheat The Gallows
    Birds Of Tokyo - Universes
    Bleeding Through - Declaration
    Bullet For My Valentine - Scream Aim Fire
    The Butterfly Effect - Final Conversation Of Kings
    Children Of Bodom - Blooddrunk
    City and Colour - Bring Me Your Love
    Cog - Sharing Space
    Cult Of Luna - Eternal Kingdom
    Dance Gavin Dance - Dance Gavin Dance
    Death Cab For Cutie - Narrow Stairs
    Disturbed - Indestructible
    Filter - Anthems For The Damned
    Firewind - The Premonition
    The Fratellis - Here We Stand
    The Getaway Plan - Other Voices, Other Rooms
    Gwen Stacy - The Life I Know
    Iced Earth - The Crucible Of Man
    Ill Nino - Enigma
    In Flames - A Sense Of Purpose
    Less Than Jake - GNVFLA
    Machinae Supremacy - Overworld
    Meshuggah - obZen
    Mindless Self Indulgence - If
    Norma Jean - The Anti-Mother
    Norther - N
    Portugal. The Man - Censored Colours
    The Presets - Apocalypso
    The Roots - Rising Down
    Scars On Broadway - Scars On Broadway
    Secret & Whisper - Great White Whale
    Sky Eats Airplane - Sky Eats Airplane
    A Static Lullaby - Rattlesnake!
    Taproot - Our Long Road Home
    This Is Hell - Misfortunes
    Unearth - The March
    36 Crazyfists - The Tide And It's Takers


    Still a few more albums to be released. And i gotta get some of the Ben Folds my sister's been playing.
     
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    1. Children 18:3- Children 18:3
    2. Anberlin- New Surrender
    3. Alesana- Where Myth Fades to Legend
    4. 3OH!3- Want
    5. Flo Rida- Mail on Sunday
    6. Escape the Fate- This War Is Ours
    7. Family Force 5- Dance or Die
    8. Hollywood Undead- Swan Songs
    9. The Used- Shallow Believer
    10. Flobots- Fight With Tools
    11. Gym Class Heroes- The Quilt
    12. The Game- LAX
    13. A Skylit Drive- Wires and the Concept of Breathing
    14. Panic at the Disco- Pretty. Odd.
    15. Machinae Supremacy- Overworld
    16. Does It Offend You, Yeah?- You Have No Idea What You’re Getting Yourself Into
    17. T.I.- Paper Trail
    18. Shinedown- The Sound of Madness
    19. Nas- N
    20. Coldplay- Viva la Vida
    21. Take the Crown- Relapse React
    22. The Audition- Champion
    23. Lil Wayne- Tha Carter III
    24. Tyga- No Introduction
    25. Disturbed- Indestructible

    Currently Listening/Judging:
    The Classic Crime- The Silver Chord
    The White Tie Affair- Walk This Way
    Senses Fail- Life is Not a Waiting Room
    Tickle Me Pink- Madeline
    The Human Abstract- Midheaven
    From First to Last- From First to Last
    Trapt- Only Through the Pain
    Slipknot- All Hope Is Gone
    Rise Against- Appeal to Reason
    Taproot- Our Long Road Home
    Innerpartysystem- Innerpartysystem
    The Cab- Whisper War
    Jack’s Mannequin- The Glass Passenger

    Upcoming:
    October 21st- The Stiletto Formal
    October 29th- Funeral for a Friend
    November 11th- The All American Rejects, T-Pain
    November 18th- Chris Cornell, Common
    November 25th- Kevin Rudolf, Good Charlotte
    December 9th- 50 Cent, Akon
    December 16th- Kanye West
    TBA: AFI, Eminem, Fall Out Boy, Hoobastank, Dr. Dre, Jay-Z, Blessthefall.
     
  12. Daniel

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    01. Trivium's "Shogun"
    02. All That Remains' "Overcome"
    03. Protest the Hero's "Fortress"
    04. Bring Me the Horizon's "Suicide Season"
    05. Breathe Carolina's "It's Classy, Not Classic"
    06. Forever the Sickest Kids' "Underdog Alma Mater"
    07. Escape the Fate's "This War Is Ours"
    08. Senses Fail's "Life Is Not A Waiting Room"
    09. 3OH!3's "Want"
    10. Metallica's "Death Magnetic"

    Basically now just waiting for "Folie a Deux".
     
  13. Jordan

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    Top 5

    01: Thrice - The Alchemy Index Vol. III & IV Air & Earth
    02: The Mars Volta - The Bedlam In Goliath
    03: Nine Inch Nails - The Slip
    04: Opeth - Watershed
    05: Cynic - Traced In Air

    Honorable Mentions:

    DragonForce - Ultra Beatdown
    sleepmakeswaves - In Today Walks Tomorrow
    Sleep Parade - Things Can Always Change
    Trivium - Shogun
    Haste The Day - Dreamer
    Sigur Ros - Something Icelandic
    Protest The Hero - Fortress
    Mogwai - The Hawk Is Howling
    Nine Inch Nails - Ghosts

    The rest in alphabetical order:

    Alestorm - Captain Morgan's Revenge
    Alkaline Trio - Agony and Irony
    All That Remains - Overcome
    Bigelf - Cheat The Gallows
    Birds Of Tokyo - Universes
    Bleeding Through - Declaration
    Bullet For My Valentine - Scream Aim Fire
    The Butterfly Effect - Final Conversation Of Kings
    Children Of Bodom - Blooddrunk
    City and Colour - Bring Me Your Love
    Cog - Sharing Space
    Cult Of Luna - Eternal Kingdom
    Dance Gavin Dance - Dance Gavin Dance
    Death Cab For Cutie - Narrow Stairs
    Disturbed - Indestructible
    Filter - Anthems For The Damned
    Firewind - The Premonition
    The Fratellis - Here We Stand
    The Getaway Plan - Other Voices, Other Rooms
    Gwen Stacy - The Life I Know
    Hazards Of Swimming Naked - Live At The Globe Theater
    Iced Earth - The Crucible Of Man
    Ill Nino - Enigma
    In Flames - A Sense Of Purpose
    Less Than Jake - GNVFLA
    Machinae Supremacy - Overworld
    Meshuggah - obZen
    Mindless Self Indulgence - If
    Norma Jean - The Anti-Mother
    Norther - N
    Portugal. The Man - Censored Colours
    The Presets - Apocalypso
    The Roots - Rising Down
    Scars On Broadway - Scars On Broadway
    Secret & Whisper - Great White Whale
    Sky Eats Airplane - Sky Eats Airplane
    A Static Lullaby - Rattlesnake!
    Taproot - Our Long Road Home
    This Is Hell - Misfortunes
    Unearth - The March
    United Nations - United Nations
    36 Crazyfists - The Tide And It's Takers

    Doubt Top 5'll change til the end of the year unless new Neath turns out better than there influences.
     
  14. Rather Red

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    1. Children 18:3- Children 18:3
    2. Escape the Fate- This War Is Ours
    3. Anberlin- New Surrender
    4. Alesana- Where Myth Fades to Legend
    5. 3OH!3- Want
    6. The White Tie Affair- Walk This Way
    7. Flo Rida- Mail on Sunday
    8. Family Force 5- Dance or Die
    9. Hollywood Undead- Swan Songs
    10. The Used- Shallow Believer
    11. Flobots- Fight With Tools
    12. Gym Class Heroes- The Quilt
    13. The Game- LAX
    14. A Skylit Drive- Wires and the Concept of Breathing
    15. Panic at the Disco- Pretty. Odd.
    16. Machinae Supremacy- Overworld
    17. Does It Offend You, Yeah?- You Have No Idea What You’re Getting Yourself Into
    18. T.I.- Paper Trail
    19. Shinedown- The Sound of Madness
    20. Nas- N
    21. Coldplay- Viva la Vida
    22. Take the Crown- Relapse React
    23. The Audition- Champion
    24. Lil Wayne- Tha Carter III
    25. Tyga- No Introduction
    26. Disturbed- Indestructible

    White Tie Affair recently impressed me, and I realized the Escape the Fate album is pretty fuckin good.
     
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  15. barnes80

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    Haha that made me laugh. Good album though
     
  16. Jordan

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    lol yeah it's been like that since i got it.

    Definitely agree it's a great album.
     
  17. Daniel

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    01. Trivium's "Shogun"
    02. All That Remains' "Overcome"
    03. Protest the Hero's "Fortress"
    04. Breathe Carolina's "It's Classy, Not Classic"
    05. Bring Me the Horizon's "Suicide Season"
    06. Forever the Sickest Kids' "Underdog Alma Mater"
    07. 3OH!3's "Want"
    08. Unearth's "The March"
    09. Escape the Fate's "This War Is Ours"
    10. Metallica's "Death Magnetic"

    More changes, and more metalcore. :lol:
     
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    InnerPartySystem+Trivium+Sigur Ros+Coldplay
     
  19. The_Cool_Cow

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    Hmm, havent done one of these before. Here I go:

    1) Coldplay- Viva La Vida
    2) Weezer- Red Album
    3) Panic At The Disco- Pretty. Odd.

    Yeah, seriously, thats all i've listened to:lol:.

    Still judging Anberlin's CD (New Surrender, I think?), and im thinking of getting Innerpartysystem, Kings of Leon, Bloc Party, and Keane's new albums. Other then that, im waiting for:

    The Killers- Day And Age
    Fall Out Boy- Folie a Deux
    AFI- That New EP (whenever the heck they get around to releasing that)
     
  20. Tim

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    01). Gojira - The Way of All Flesh
    02). Cult Of Luna - Eternal Kingdom
    03). Intronaut - Prehistoricisms
    04). Torche - Meanderthal
    05). Meshuggah - obZen
    06). Harvey Milk - Life... The Best Game In Town
    07). Death Cab For Cutie - Narrow Stairs
    08). Thrice - The Alchemy Index Vols. III & IV: Air & Earth
    09). Gaslight Anthem - The '59 Sound
    10). Underoath - Lost In the Sound of Seperation
    11). The Mars Volta - The Bedlam In Goliath
    12). Zozobra - Bird of Prey
    13). Genghis Tron - Board Up The House
    14). Alkaline Trio - Agony and Irony
    15). Funeral For a Friend - Memory and Humanity
    16). Textures - Silhouettes
    17). Boris - Smile
    18). Coldplay - Viva La Vida or Death And All His Friends
    19). Portishead - Third
    20). Weezer - Weezer (The Red Album)

    It's been so long since I last updated my list that I figured I'd just start over.
     
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