MTM was their best STUDIO album (not counting Reanimation as studio, though it should be) until ATS came out. Begin the flames.
I think there's three, maybe four songs in their whole catalogue that sound much at all like typical U2. The biggest criticism of this album for me is that there are points where it misfires for one reason or another and it just isn't that good. It's as simple as that. But there are others that are among the best things they've done by far, and there's middle ground where it's solid.
Hybrid Theory and Meteora in MY OPINION are over praised and bland. You are left with no creative thoughts, just "doood that's a mosh song" or "my life is equally as bad as theirs". Minutes to Midnight destroys those albums by far. I hate the fact that people are like "it's a wanna be u2 mainstream radio rock album". Such a stupid statement it almost makes me feel dumb after reading it. Hybrid Theory barely gets heat, Meteora takes all of the low blows, but what is so hot about Hybrid? The album is a collection of watered down versions of their previous demos from the nineties. They have no creative writing in Hybrid or Meteora, and nothing that left me saying "thats awesome let me rewind that". Read it and weep.
I also find it ridiculous that people really keep sasying that all they did was copy other bands. Like, I understand the U2 SOTD comparison, but really...and nobody names any other fucking band but U2
I can't believe you can appreciate MTM more than HT or Meteora, I'm not going to enter in the old vs new LP debate but how people are easy to bash the old sound (the one that made them fans of the band) is funny.
I like newer Yeah Yeah Yeahs even though their old sound brought me in. I like newer The Killers even though their old sound brought me in. I am sixteen and have had relationship problems before and none of their older self pity lyrics have helped or inspired me. I am allowed to bash whatever I want. Don't come in an appreciation thread thinking we are all going to treat it like crap. Minutes is a brilliant record. It beats "shut up when I'm talking to you" and "I wanna heal I wanna feel what I thought was never real". and for the record I can write better lyrics so I hope you don't challenge me.
No I won't challenge you. And I don't really care this is a praising MTM thread, I saw nowhere someone saying that people who didn't like the album couldn't post in it. I know people would not agree with my opinion, but opening a thread like that, then reading someone saying: oh I'm glad we all agree that MTM is the best LP album ever well I had to come by and say that some people don't agree with that. I LOVE ATS and I still think MTM was bad. And you can bash whatever you want, as I have the right to not like this album and to think that I don't understand all of your arguments. We are not here to agree with each other, we are here to write what we think. I wish my english was better cause I would explain way more why this album is IN MY OPINION the worst LP album ever. You can open a thread about how MTM is awesome and amazing etc, but this is a public forum and not some rendez-vous where the doors are closed and you get only to speak with people who agree with you. Life would be way much easier if it was always like that right?
MTM is a breath of fresh air when it comes to their music. SURE Hybrid Theory and Meteora are the ones that pulled them in as fans, but there's only so much "My life sucks so I'm gonna sing and whine and scream about that" lyrics people can handle. Minutes to Midnight actually has lyrics that mean something, with the exception of Bleed It Out, which is just a fun song and meant to be that way. I appreciate that a lot more than, what Nick mentioned before, "I wanna heal, I wanna feel" and "Shut up when I'm talking to you."
I agree but there are no good arguments on why the album sucks. - They never had a steady sound. Rumor has it that Meteora could've been really abstract and different from what we have, so you can't say that's their style. They change every album for the most part. - Comparing them to U2 is a weak and lazy way to call this album "mainstream radio rock". The album is very varied. - The lyrics are great in most cases some are average, so no complaints here. - The emotions are displayed in shyness, anger, frustration, and in a hopeful manner as opposed to just screaming and whining - Rick Rubin didn't layer the bands vocals and tell them it's not his fault of they can't play it live - Each song sounds different whether it be static evolving into guitars, keys and clapping over trashy guitar riffs, a soft electronic song, motown rap and rock party song, ballad building in crescendo, a traditional rock song with haunting elements, church organs and military drums with amazing rapping, a heavy rock song, a ballad building up into a rock song, a simple yet beautiful vocal performance, ska plucking and a face melting guitar solo, and a six and half minute epic.* People use the same excuses. Let's hear something new.
I agree the lyrics where more mature than what we could have heard on Meteora for hands held high. But No more sorrow, given up, shadow of the day, what I've done, those lyrics aren't much more different than I wanna heal, I wanna feel... I never knew what it was like to be alone on a valentine's day... come on now lol this is so cheesy!
Valentines Day is about death, not alienation. Read the other lyrics in the song which are actually more mature.
Those excuses that people always use are a common opinion of why that album is not good. You can't just say that it's invalid because people always tells the same, if they do, there must be a reason. I think the fact that you could predict EVERY SONG when they began was one of the reason I hated it. LP has always been about mashing up sounds, rock and electronic, guitars and piano. I couldn't feel that in MTM. I felt that MTM could have been done by any average rock band not the Linkin Park that has a lot of identities and sounds. Just look at the album cover. It's bland and boring. They didn't even try to create something new or represent what that album was about. Well it doesn't erase the fact that the bridge and the end of that song is easy, cheesy and sorry but it gives me no emotions.
Look at the booklets if you want art. They used electronics in this album. There was rock and rap, and screaming too. I don't know what album your looking at.
I don't care about the booklet, a cover is what people see at first. and the cover does not look like a LP cover. And yes Linkin Park is different styles but at the end they have a core identity that wasn't in this album. Yes there was rock, rap, electronics, etc but those were taken separately with no real intention of creating something bigger. Like someone said on amazon And Mike said it himself: I'm not on some what I've done shit. They created something easy that everyone could enjoy.
Those reasons come from people who are mostly butthurt about Minutes to Midnight not being nu-metal anymore. The fact that MTM isn't nu-metal is the reason why it should be praised. It was a stepping stone to breaking away from the sound that was exhausted years ago, by them and other bands that tried to emulate that sound. All of this is explained in the "Making of Minutes To Midnight" documentary as to why they felt they needed to throw their nu-metal sound away for a new sound. Provided, it wasn't the old Linkin Park we had enjoyed for the first half of the decade, but I also see PLENTY of people who seem to enjoy this album much more than the older stuff. As for the album cover, who the hell cares? The cover for Meteora wasn't that great either to be honest.
No, no, no don't tell me what I haven't said. I don't care about the nu-metal thing. This isn't about nu-metal it's about trying to merge rock/rap/electro/pop/soft/heavy. It's about ATS at the end which is in my opinion the album where LP masterminded (sorry that's not a word) the ranging sound they love and always worked with. I won't praise MTM just because it isn't new metal and it was a step for that band when those songs could have been done by any other band.... It was new for Linkin Park but it was predictable in terms of sounds and music. ATS is in my opinion what MTM failed to do. Yet, i respect MTM much more now that ATS has come out because it clearly opened the path of the new album in terms of cutting from the numetal sounds. Well the cover for Meteora was IMO a great picture representing all the work they did with Delta.
Never said that you didn't like it because it wasn't nu-metal. Just making the point that most the people who do gripe about it are butthurt about it not being Hybrid Theory Part Three