If you ever looked on amazon you will see reviews of Hybrid Theory and/or Meteora making fun of their whiny lyrics, talking about how they aren't a solid rock band (even though that wasn't their goal), how lame their guitar riffs were, and how all of their songs pretty much covered the same topics. Isn't Minutes to Midnight the exact opposite? Lyrics covering many topics such as politics, loss of a loved one, relationships, and disasters. They had a solid kind of sound on this album. Partially hard rock partially pop rock. They had 3 guitar solos, 4 if you count Wake and each one was better than the previous if you listen to the album in order. Their songs like stated above cover different emotions and fields of life. So why was this their most hated album, and everyone wanted their old music back? That's the funniest thing. They got what they asked for, and treated it like it was nothing but a piece of garbage. Your thoughts. --- Edit: I forgot to add, the people who think it is garbage is yet again those amazon fans who wanted that kind of stuff. I didn't point fingers at youtube trolls or you guys.
Easy answer. You see, many Linkin Park fans (ie: those on LP.com) are plagued with a nasty case of the same disease that has stricken many, many people, including but not limited to Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and the mac-daddy of all: George W. Bush. What is this horrible affliction you ask? It is.....The Stupid.
There's political lyrics that are meant to stress a point to the listener, and there are political lyrics that exist solely to pander to disenfranchised masses in order to sell more, ala like Green Day. Hybrid Theory and Meteora had pretty weak subject matter, but bad lyrics about being pissed because people do favors then rapidly turn round and star asking what they want back from you don't get any better just because now they're about being pissed off because politicians are thieves and hypocrites, and as a result maybe some just concluded it was Linkin Park just taking the vaguest "political" stance they could in order to cash in. Me personally, I think they've just never really wrote great lyrics.
I think Given Up and No More Sorrow are pretty equal in having pretty bad lyrics on that album, the only difference is, I can actually listen to Given Up without skipping it
The M2M haters outnumbered the HT/Meteora dislikers by a drastic amount. That's what's wrong with that logic. For me M2M wasn't as good because it was a collection of songs. ATS tops everything because it has even more diversity then M2M but it's still an album.
With a big mainstream band like LP, the thing is you have to hate them first, then try to justify and reason through that hate. The lyrics are easy targets.
This discussion went off my point. I just noted the fact that LP fixed every complaint they had with MTM and were bashed completely for it.
I'll tell you why it was hated. And it was because as innovative as it was for Linkin Park, it was not innovative in music. Everything done on that album has been done before. Yes, even a piece like Little Things Give You Away...that's pretty much Snow Patrol with Linkin Park vocals. Shadow of the Day screams "With or Without You" by U2, and No More Sorrow is so blatantly political...Green Day has that covered. That's why people didn't like it, and I can see why. I don't think it's an awful album but it's definitely Linkin Park's most mediocre effort, but since it served as the transition to A Thousand Suns, I can't hate on it too much.
People hate music that is not innovative? Hate? Green Day's political rhetorics wasn't innovative either when it came out. And I don't think when With or Without You was released people where like, "Wow this has never been done before!"
Louis basically said it perfect. I respect this band highly, but with MTM it was just altogether a very generic sounding rock record. There wasn't much about it that hadn't been done before by other bands, and while I like listening to the record as a whole, I respect ATS that much more before it shows the band going back to trying things that are risky/not expected. That's what LP was always about (blending the unexpected) and as a result, ATS kills MTM in comparison.
Not to sound like a broken record, but Meteora says hello. They'd have to go a long way to surpass Meteora in that respect, and I don't think MTM did that however much of it was actually that good. Not completely sure about comparing TLTGYA to Snow Patrol in particular either... broadly speaking though, yeah, there was something of an identity crisis at points on that album. Which brings us back to the original question - they began to address old problems but I guess new ones arose in the process.
I disagree Dean. Meteora was HT part 2, yes. But at the same time, it was an album that only LP could pull off. M2M is weaker because *read Louis's post*. With that said, I still love Minutes to Midnight. But not nearly as much as the other 3 albums. M2M also get's some hate for the simple fact that there's hardly any rapping. Very few, if any, people were complaining about too much rap pre M2M. So, even if t , they made new ones.
Yes, I've read his post. The thing is, on Meteora they were extremely derivative of themselves. On that album they ape themselves at least as much they've aped anyone else. The stuff about how only Linkin Park could make that album doesn't excuse it because a) a good deal of that album is essentially their previous work rehashed and b) that isn't necessarily true, it could probably just as well have been another band imitating HT.
Meteora is Linkin Parks most mediocre record in my opinion. Just sounds like copy/paste/rehash to me. :shurg: Not to offend anyone but that's just my opinion.