What Do You Want The Next Record To Be Like?

More experimental songs like Thrice or Moving Mountains or something like Appleseed Cast. Something epic is what I'd want. As for the production I'd like Neil Avron the indie producer. And their lyrics really need to grow up. We don't want anymore cliched stuff.

And I really think setting aside radio-friendly hits would be a good idea. Bend the rules, that's what they need to do. Their song structure also need to be more experimental.

I also think that Mike's rhymes are superb but he needs inspirational lyrics and not cliche ridden ones. Hands Held High had the best lyrics through their entire career in my opinion, but the song wasn't as big as I hoped it to be. Mike needs lyrics like that of P.O.S. while Chester needs lessons from Jesse Lacey in terms of lyrics because he seems to be writing stuff that sounds good but doesn't have much emotion.

As for the instruments, Brad took a step forward and I hope he continues that and plays the guitar alot like some of the other 'epic' bands (Thrice, Brand New, Cast Before The Break). Phoenix really needs to step up his bass and not play the orthodox drum bass support. I also think that Joseph Hahn needs to do something more than what he did in MTM. As for Rob, he was the most matured member in the band and should continue what he did in MTM if not something better. Back to the lyrics and Mike's should be like what it was in Hands Held High while Chester has heaps to improve and both need to get rid of those cliches (I know I said this heaps of times).

And sorry if this is very badly written. It's because my browser closed unexpectedly and I had to type this stuff again. Big list I know but they have to take steps to reach there, otherwise LP really will be a one trick pony.

This is what I have been trying to say. Something symphonic like Brand New's Handcuffs or something along those lines. But The stuff that you said is exactly what I've been wanting to say. Brilliantly put The Cool Cow. Brilliantly put.

I'd also like something more to do with the piano. Mike's a really good piano player and I think he's never really cut loose. Not piano rock but something more melodic with the piano.

And just to remind you guys again, talk about their lyrics, and the vocals by Mike and Chester are spot on by the way but I do think Chester should experiment with his voice a bit more. Come on Chaz, we know you got it in ya.

 

If they can record something as good as Handcuffs by Brand New I'll be impressed. Isn't Brad supposed to be a fan of theirs?

 

Thrice is one of my favorite bands, they are purely awesome. If they can pull off a record that rivals the complexity or creativity of one of their recent ones like vheissu or alchemy index, than I think that LP would really be taking a grand step in the right direction. Thrice or Brand New are very different bands than LP though. But if LP figured out some new interesting ways to incorporate hip hop and turntabling (things that both thrice and brand new lack) than they could really be a force to be reckoned with once more.

 

ugh... why are we comparing Linkin Park to Moving Mountains/Appleseed Cast?

This thread is becoming worse by the day.

 

Yeah I reckon both of you guys are right. LP will be breaking real ground if they do record something like that even though it's not possible.
I really think they shouldn't listen to anybody (incl. Warner) and just record what they think is right.
Look at Jimmy Eat World and Midtown. That system has gotten them brilliant albums (Forget What You Know and Bleed American).
Even though I think LP should go to the more experimental or Indie Punk direction, Jimmy Eat World and Midtown are good examples of what they should set their mind at.

 

what! copying other bands is not breaking new ground.

If you want more bands like Appleseed Cast and Moving Mountains, I recommend you American Football, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead, Sunny Day Real Estate and Everything Is Made In China.

Enjoy

 

I gues you are right but I do think if they do write songs and incorporate their own signature sound in Thrice's experimental style or Brand New's Punk style like jonedj82 said then I do think they'll garner more respect, because they have done enough to receive mainstream attention but they haven't done enough to call their sound brilliant or epic.
On a different note, all the bands you have named, Jordan, are brilliant bands.

Thanks, I really do think Post-rock is a good genre, but people misinterpret it and think that it means rock is dead. All it does mean is that it's taking the music beyond rock.
Thanks again.

 

lol, i can't see them going near Brand New at all, and while Thrice is a little more likely, ehhh.

I just hope they write good music. Good music can be much better than innovative music, whatever genre they're going to play.

 

yeah brand new's style is obviously outta the question. i think they're moving towards the style of Muse a little bit though. I remember reading an article somewhere about how Chester likes listening to them actually. I think "in pieces" is actually a pretty muse-y type song, and a direction musically, that they could really be headed towards

 

While Muse and LP have certain similarities and would make an AWESOME co-headliner tour (please make it happen LP), I don't think that either could pull off the other's sound. Chester doesn't have the vocal chops to make something like that work.

That being said, I want them to look to Muse's electronics for inspiration. I want to see stuff like Bliss and Take A Bow, synth wise. We know you have it in you, Joe.

 

1) Experimental but radiofriendly album, by radiofriendly i mean that we wont get super strange songs like Thrice's Alchemy Index..

2) Joe should stop pushing buttons, he doenst enjoys it anymore, so he has 2 options:

a) Leave the band
b) pick a real instrument, i know that he can play guitar and if Phi just follows guitar and drums, Joe should play bass to create atmospheric melodies, now that would be unique

 

ummm he is a dj
thats what he does
he scrathes on somethings as well
sure he was bit absent when it comes to scratchin on MTM
but he does lots of sampling
he doesnt have to change or leave the band

 

The next person who mentions Thrice in this thread should be banned.

 

Turntables are a real instrument.

 

not reeeaallly.

Although when i listen to DJ Shadow i sometimes disagree with myself.

Though I still completely disagree with Diablorojo

 

If turntables aren't an instrument then neither are synthesisers and keyboards. I could even be slightly controversial and say that a deck is almost as much an instrument as a drumkit.

Either way, it's not like it doesn't require talent to use them well.

 

I guess i wasn't really thinking about synthesizers when i said that.

Hmm

A turntable is really just a record player. Sort of.

I'll be back after i've wikipedia'd turntables to find new ways to back up my argument

EDIT: yeah i'm back (lol), and i'm still a bit eh on the topic. It's definitely a topic worth discussing. But yeah, to the point...

A turntable is a record player. A deck is when turntables are used in conjunction with a mixer. So the record player creates the sound and the mixer alters it. And that's very similar to how a synthesizer/keyboard works.

BUT, if you used that logic, then is your protools set up also an instrument? You play some music (that you may have previously recorded) through it and alter it using plug-ins and built-in tools.

And your cd player is pretty much and instrument now aswell. You put a cd in and use the volume nob and bass/treble nob (or whatever yours has) to alter the sound.

It's quite complex really.

 

Rick Rubin should tell LP to do exactly what he told Metallica to do: get back to your roots and expand on that framework. He lead them in the right direction. It's the right direction for LP too.

 

i think every album produced by LP are the things they really want to do. They've matured already and its not really necessary that they should be told to do things like this or like that...suggestions could be. In whatever endeavor they choose, let's just give our support.