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tkd_rap · Oct 8, 2003

Originally posted by XeroGurl73@Oct 8 2003, 01:29 AM
aaaw I was gonna post this but you bet me to it
lol oh well, I disagree with whoever wrote that article though, they're stupid.
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for the most part yes, but he did make one good point, to which i agree

Anya · Oct 8, 2003

I just wished they'd stop bashing LP really. They have no right to talk about them that way.*shrugs* But that's just my opinion really.

Ander · Oct 8, 2003

Originally posted by XeroGurl73@Oct 7 2003, 05:40 PM
I just wished they'd stop bashing LP really. They have no right to talk about them that way.*shrugs* But that's just my opinion really.
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yes they do, they're critics. its their job. just like its the job of the hardcore (enter band name here) fans to disagree completely.

Hybrid Soldier · Oct 8, 2003

i totally agree with you Keaton. a long time ago i didnt have access to internet and didn't know much about lp. i always wondered if they were going to make another album. my friend said that they weren't. then i got internet and found out about reanimation. i was totally bummed out when they said it was going to be a "remix" cd. finally meteora came. don't get me wrong, it sounded awesum at first but then i got tired of it sooo fast. my fav. songs are easier to run and hit the floor. they sound dark and stuff. i agree with sum of the stuff in that article. its just that i think the person went after lp too much.

Jae · Oct 8, 2003

Originally posted by Keaton@Oct 8 2003, 01:14 AM
I personally can agree with things said in that article. Before you get the wrong idea, let me try and explain this.

Being a fan of Linkin Park since basically the beginning of their debut, I've wanted to hear more and more of them. Linkin Park had something going on in their first album that just attracted you. It's a reason I cannot explain. There are very few bands that have gotten this feeling from me, and it's like, a feeling where their music can be listened to over and over again and it's just something you can't get sick of. I can listen to other bands, yeah, but it's something in the music that just draws me to want to continuously hear it. I don't know if that makes any sense, but I hope you understand.

Now, being a fan for those past two years, I've waited on their next album and how much the album would rule with the extent that their music style would change. Unfourtunately, Meteora let me down in many ways. First, lyrical wise, because like Will said, it's too repeative and being a song writer myself, if you use certain words too much in your songs, people don't like it. The other problem was song structure. Aside from majority of the music, it's always the following: Music intro, Mike rapping, Chester singing chorus, Mike rapping again, Chester's chorus, Chester's verse after the chorus, end. Or it's changed to: Chester sings verses and chorus, Mike does back up. I thought that 'Nobody's Listening' was a very good step for one reason only, and that's because it was really different from the rest of Meteora. If you do remove the chorus, it becomes a type of song we haven't seen on any of LP's albums so far. It's a diverse rap song that does what they did before. It's mixing a flute, with beats, etc. The rest of the songs are the simple riffs with beats with some orchestra strings faded.

Don't look at me as a hater, because I really am not. Just waiting for two years, and seeing how it was promoted so, with all the things they showed us like 'Breaking the Habit', I was let down when I heard it. It was like, "Okay, I've listened to it, now what?" It didn't make me replay it over again at that time. Where as with Hybrid Theory, it would be "Damn, I have to listen to that again!" and you do so. This time around I know for a fact Linkin Park, just like any new artist(s) do. They don't take new chances with the fear of faliure. Meteora is a great album, but the fact that the band didn't really expand on what they did, was not so great. When I see Linkin Park now, they're no longer a band with their new sound--it's more like they're falling in with all these other bands that scream and yell about the same things. I've seen/heard a lot of those bands, and it just might be me, but lyrically wise, they could have done better.

Take it like this, you're a fan of a band for many, many years and all the hype you get for their new album turns out to be put to nothing, it's really kind of disappointing. Bottom line is I think LP played it too safe. What could LP add to their music? I would like to see more emotion lyric-wise, because Hybrid Theory had that draw, so I know they can do it again. I would like to see an evolution in their music. Something like the evolution in Meteora, but with the same feel Hybrid Theory gave off. I have much confidence Linkin Park will make another perfect album, maybe it wasn't this time around, but I'm waiting for that one moment in time where you pick up your earphones and hear the music and think to yourself, "Now this is the Linkin Park I used to know," not something like "Okay, I liked their older stuff better." I have a lot of assumptions on why Meteora seemed to miss a lot, but that's besides the point.

The article does explain a lot and there are a lot I agree with, which I'm not afraid to admit. No band is perfect, but if the band continues to work at it, eventually they'll get it right.
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OK, now i see where you are coming from and i kinda know why i am confused. I wasnt really in it when LP first came out mainly because of the sterotypes that come with listening to rock music ( i am an african american so you get the idea ). I know what you mean by the lyrical let down on meteora and them sticking to the same song structure, BUT Meteora, in my opinion is one of the best albums I've heard in a while. Linkin Park writes about things that occur in real life, and i respect them so much for that. Its just that i cant stand for people to diss something i thought was so perfect.. so yea i guess ill leave this alone

Kæton · Oct 8, 2003

I understand where you're coming from and I do agree LP does write about things some of us go through. I was just disappointed in the overall 'ground' they covered with Meteora, like I said, played it safe.

Hell, I'd be upset if someone dissed Linkin Park (which happens everyday for me, actually ), and I know where you're coming from so it's all good .

Will · Oct 8, 2003

Originally posted by bigjae+Oct 7 2003, 10:10 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (bigjae @ Oct 7 2003, 10:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Keaton@Oct 8 2003, 01:14 AM
I personally can agree with things said in that article. Before you get the wrong idea, let me try and explain this.

Being a fan of Linkin Park since basically the beginning of their debut, I've wanted to hear more and more of them. Linkin Park had something going on in their first album that just attracted you. It's a reason I cannot explain. There are very few bands that have gotten this feeling from me, and it's like, a feeling where their music can be listened to over and over again and it's just something you can't get sick of. I can listen to other bands, yeah, but it's something in the music that just draws me to want to continuously hear it. I don't know if that makes any sense, but I hope you understand.

Now, being a fan for those past two years, I've waited on their next album and how much the album would rule with the extent that their music style would change. Unfourtunately, Meteora let me down in many ways. First, lyrical wise, because like Will said, it's too repeative and being a song writer myself, if you use certain words too much in your songs, people don't like it. The other problem was song structure. Aside from majority of the music, it's always the following: Music intro, Mike rapping, Chester singing chorus, Mike rapping again, Chester's chorus, Chester's verse after the chorus, end. Or it's changed to: Chester sings verses and chorus, Mike does back up. I thought that 'Nobody's Listening' was a very good step for one reason only, and that's because it was really different from the rest of Meteora. If you do remove the chorus, it becomes a type of song we haven't seen on any of LP's albums so far. It's a diverse rap song that does what they did before. It's mixing a flute, with beats, etc. The rest of the songs are the simple riffs with beats with some orchestra strings faded.

Don't look at me as a hater, because I really am not. Just waiting for two years, and seeing how it was promoted so, with all the things they showed us like 'Breaking the Habit', I was let down when I heard it. It was like, "Okay, I've listened to it, now what?" It didn't make me replay it over again at that time. Where as with Hybrid Theory, it would be "Damn, I have to listen to that again!" and you do so. This time around I know for a fact Linkin Park, just like any new artist(s) do. They don't take new chances with the fear of faliure. Meteora is a great album, but the fact that the band didn't really expand on what they did, was not so great. When I see Linkin Park now, they're no longer a band with their new sound--it's more like they're falling in with all these other bands that scream and yell about the same things. I've seen/heard a lot of those bands, and it just might be me, but lyrically wise, they could have done better.

Take it like this, you're a fan of a band for many, many years and all the hype you get for their new album turns out to be put to nothing, it's really kind of disappointing. Bottom line is I think LP played it too safe. What could LP add to their music? I would like to see more emotion lyric-wise, because Hybrid Theory had that draw, so I know they can do it again. I would like to see an evolution in their music. Something like the evolution in Meteora, but with the same feel Hybrid Theory gave off. I have much confidence Linkin Park will make another perfect album, maybe it wasn't this time around, but I'm waiting for that one moment in time where you pick up your earphones and hear the music and think to yourself, "Now this is the Linkin Park I used to know," not something like "Okay, I liked their older stuff better." I have a lot of assumptions on why Meteora seemed to miss a lot, but that's besides the point.

The article does explain a lot and there are a lot I agree with, which I'm not afraid to admit. No band is perfect, but if the band continues to work at it, eventually they'll get it right.
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OK, now i see where you are coming from and i kinda know why i am confused. I wasnt really in it when LP first came out mainly because of the sterotypes that come with listening to rock music ( i am an african american so you get the idea ). I know what you mean by the lyrical let down on meteora and them sticking to the same song structure, BUT Meteora, in my opinion is one of the best albums I've heard in a while. Linkin Park writes about things that occur in real life, and i respect them so much for that. Its just that i cant stand for people to diss something i thought was so perfect.. so yea i guess ill leave this alone [/b][/quote]
I don't care about LP writing about things that happen in life, but when they write the same song 8-9 different ways, it gets pretty annoying.

Neil · Oct 8, 2003

Who cares what the guy thinks. He's entitled to his opinion. He also backed it up very well so it's all good

Anya · Oct 8, 2003

yes they do, they're critics. its their job. just like its the job of the hardcore (enter band name here) fans to disagree completely.
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You got me there I guess*shrugs*
But yea, I guess the guy should have a 'little' credit. But I dunno the whole thing just makes me angry. Well probably it's cuz we all here 'like' the band and want to stick up for them. But you all on this board made pretty good points Good job pplz lol.

Samantha · Oct 9, 2003

I read similar article before few months. Then I was angry that someone could say this about LP and Meteora.
But now, after some time, although It's hard for me to say it, I have to agree with some points said there. Yea, besides few (Nobody's Listening, Breaking The Habit...) has songs similar concept, lyrics and It's none big move from HT..

I LOVE Meteora very much, It's great album. But record second album as good as first, is very hard thing and HT is still reason of LP's success.

Glenn · Oct 9, 2003

personally i think the guy is an #######

LP43v3r · Oct 11, 2003

Originally posted by DJ_Nate@Oct 7 2003, 07:05 PM
This was in The Washington Post and was just re-released for some reason on their website:

Linkin Park, Refusing to Grow Up

By David Segal
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 26, 2003; Page C05

A quadrillion-selling debut album and the love of peeved and pimpled boys across the country have failed to wipe the grimace off the face of Linkin Park. Apparently neither fame nor babes nor buckets of cash have improved the mood of this California quintet, which delivers 36 minutes of juvenile furor on "Meteora," the group's second album of originals.

It was a little easier to buy the lads' angst in 2001, when they were just one of a dozen acts gene-splicing alternative metal and hip-hop. Limp Bizkit gets credit for creating this sound, but Linkin Park subtracted the naughty words, added earnest agony and sold nearly 8 million copies of "Hybrid Theory," making it the year's best-selling album. It was the anti-parent band that parents could tolerate. For the kid who felt the indefinable pique of life as a white 12-year-old but couldn't shout "I did it all for the [sex]!" without blushing -- a requirement for Bizkit fans who wanted to sing that group's finest chorus -- these were the dudes.

Given that a follow-up took two years, you'd think Linkin Park has been retooling its sound, or delving into emotions other than everyone-hates-me rage. Pshaw. "Meteora" is one of the most gutless sophomore albums in pop history. It risks nothing. It steadfastly refuses to do anything but repeat itself. You listen and sense a band that is either cowering in fear -- for the love of God, let's just stick to what worked the last time -- or is too inept or lazy to evolve.

I suspect it's the former because "Meteora" feels like a con from start to finish. How so? For one, there's something bogus about a multi-platinum act that can think of nothing else to howl about except the emotional brutalities of the cavity-prone years, the subject of every single song here. Linkin Park is being deceived, belittled, ignored and mistreated. A lyrical sampling tells the whole monotonous story.

"I got a heart full of pain, head full of stress, handful of anger, held in my chest," sings vocalist-rapper Mike Shinoda on "Nobody's Listening." "I want to let go of the pain I've felt so long, erase all the pain till it's gone." (From the first single, "Somewhere I Belong.") "If I could take all the shame to the grave I would." ("Easier to Run.") "I took what I hated and made it a part of me." ("Figure.09.") "Time won't heal this damage anymore." ("Faint.")

It's an orgy of self-pity. Now, there is a fine tradition in rock of multimillionaires exploiting the pent-up resentments of fans living with Mom and Dad and from allowance to allowance. But "Meteora" is just so blatant about this exploitation that you sort of feel embarrassed for these fellas, the way you do listening to a politician pander for votes. It's hard to imagine these guys mean much of this, and they stay so relentlessly on their dour message that you wonder if they feel trapped.

The music breaks as little new ground as the lyrics. Guitarist Brad Delson switches from delicate strums to power chords, then back again; Shinoda rap-sings the opening verse, then the song leaps into hyperdrive and co-vocalist Chester Bennington grabs the mike to scream the chorus. All the while, turntablist Joseph Hahn scratches at vinyl in the background.

The pattern changes only twice, and both times Linkin Park offers glimmers of potential. There's the moody but funky instrumental called "Session," which hands center stage to Hahn for an excellent turntable solo. And there's "Nobody's Listening," which starts with a fetching flute sample and a spare rap beat -- but reverts quickly to the sound, pace and mood of every Linkin Park number. The band is so terrified of failure it has arrested its own creative development. "Meteora" will sell, but these guys can't pretend to be eighth-graders forever.
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I saw this exact same article on the LPMB

Kenji_girl · Oct 11, 2003

Originally posted by LP43v3r@Oct 11 2003, 04:41 AM
I saw this exact same article on the LPMB
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Me too

Metamorphosiss · Oct 17, 2003

Originally posted by Kenji_girl+Oct 11 2003, 07:28 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Kenji_girl @ Oct 11 2003, 07:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--LP43v3r@Oct 11 2003, 04:41 AM
I saw this exact same article on the LPMB
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Me too [/b][/quote]
That article s*cks alot guys! METEORA - I LOVE that album !!!

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