I'm not jumping on you, that's just the way you want to take it. I'm just saying you're hoping for something from the band that you're not gonna get.
I want the album to sound like Linkin Park, whatever that may sound like at the time. Really, as long as they're not trying to be someone else, I'm interested to hear what it'll turn out like.
Rick Rubin did help on one critical aspect: getting Linkin Park to actually record their records as a band does, instead of recording parts individually like hip hop artists. When I saw that on the MTM Making Of DVD, I nearly fell out of my chair. Linkin Park didn't play together for Hybrid Theory, Reanimation or Meteora??? The mind boggles... But Rick really didn't help them. I don't think Linkin Park should've been able to put any of the pop songs that they had on MTM. For a band that has been criticized in the past as pop metal, I cannot understand why they would indulge that criticism in any way, shape or form. Gilmore is a catastrophic option that shouldn't be considered in any way, shape or form. If anything, he'll undo the evolution that Linkin Park has picked up over the years. What do I want from the next record? 1.) I want Mike, Chester and all of LP working on the album together. Just them. No outside interference. We've seen some great tracks from LP when they've been left to their own devices - My December, QWERTY (Lies), Announcement Service Public and A.06, to name a few. Also, Linkin Park showed alot of personality when they helped Mike finish Breaking The Habit and when Mike and Chester came together to work on Nobody's Listening. These guys know what they have to do to progress now and they should be left to figure out what they're doing for themselves. 2.) I want Mike back in full force on the album's tracks, rapping and NOT singing. 3.) We need Mr. Hahn's presence back--as a force in the band and with his own track on the album. He was way too quiet on MTM. I also think Hahn-centric tracks like CFTI and Session add much needed personality to LP. 4.) I would love to see Linkin Park as a rock band--a real rock band, like the Foo Fighters, Alice In Chains, or the original Metallica. I think Linkin Park could really succeed on that front. 5.) No more emo lyrics. Seriously. Get rid of them. 6.) I want to see at least one track that features a collaboration with the Demigodz--or at least one hip hop artist. After Linkin Park's success with Jay Z and Busta Rhymes, I don't think they need to worry about the reception of their audience. Or... 7.) Let Mike have a Fort Minor-style track on the album, especially a more serious one like Spray Paint & Ink Pens. How SP&IP didn't make it to The Rising Tied is beyond me, but I think if Mike really put effort into it, a track like SP&IP could definitely be a possibility for the next album and add personality to it. 8.) I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here by repeatedly mentioning personality, but Linkin Park really does need to let their creative side flow. They have alot to offer and they're a better band than some of their material has shown, especially MTM, which was practically void of the creative touches that drew us to Linkin Park in the first place. 9.) Include a track that features piano. The piano version of Pushing Me Away from the LP Underground is excellent and I think LP is selling themselves short by not indulging their piano talents. 10.) Include different instruments and different song structures. I think Coldplay's Viva La Vida is a great example of how an established band can change up their sound and still sound like themselves. 11.) Include bonus tracks. I'm tired of hearing about all of these awesome, experimental tracks that never make the cut. I want to hear some of them. Or, they should do what Coldplay is doing with Viva La Vida and release a post album E.P. filled with tracks that didn't make the cut (Prospekt's March). 12.) Whatever the concept for the album is, make sure it works, make sure it's clear and make sure that the album communicates the concept across the tracks. My Chemical Romance did a great job with The Black Parade in terms of concept unity. And no skits. Interludes I can forgive, but not skits. I'm not a fan of skits and never have been.
Yeah, same here. Now don't get me wrong, there were alot of good songs on MTM. Like No More Sorrow, Bleed It Out, Given Up, What I've Done and The Little Things Give You Away, that's the kinda music i really enjoy. Leave Out All The Rest and Shadow Of The Day were rather lame, IMO. And Mike's songs shouldn't have been in a "Linkin Park" album. But that's just what i think, so yeah.
Probably a good reason why I'm not a killjoy fan of their new style is because I didn't like too much of their MTM songs, ie, In Between. Don't get ME wrong, I like In Between, but it's just not one of my favourite songs. Mike was great on No Roads Left, but In Between? It was just the same thing played over and over again. And basically all the choruses in MTM were repeated. It gets a little boring. But...Qwerty-type song anyone? It is kinda MTM era and it's nice and sorta heavy EDIT: Oh, and, 11:55, let's stop the arguing *Shakes hands*
Bands recording their parts seperately is incredibly common. LP only attempted to cut 2 songs "live" while recording MTM, and those wound up not being the versions that ended up being used anyway. I think what Rick encouraged was more band unity during the writing process, not the recording process. Also, Reanimation was a remix album, and in all but a couple cases, it wasn't LP doing the remixes, so of course they weren't going to record together. There was barely anything to record (Rob actually recorded NOTHING during the entire Reanimation process). QWERTY and ASP were both recorded during the MTM sessions and produced by Rick Rubin just like the other tracks on the album. Mike is a good singer, why not utilize it? Limiting a person's talents can NEVER be a good thing. Never. I've said this a million times: Cure for the Itch and Session are NOT Joe-centered tracks. Session was ENTIRELY created by Mike, the only thing Joe did on it was scratch. Cure for the Itch was also largely done by Mike - the strings and piano were done by him, and the beat probably was too. Joe did the "skit" portion of the track and scratches. This completely contradicts your previous statement that Mike should rap and not sing. A band can not have rapping and still be considered a straight up rock band. You don't know what emo is. A Linkin Park studio album should be full of Linkin Park and only Linkin Park songs. Save the collaborations for side projects. Hands Held High? Linkin Park took more risks and completely reinvented their entire creative process while recording Minutes to Midnight. While I agree for the most part, MTM did have quite a few differences in song structure than past LP albums. Shadow of the Day, What I've Done, and In Pieces all feature guitar breaks/solos (2 of them, in the case of SOTD) as opposed to just your typical verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus formula, and Valentine's Day and The Little Things Give You Away both move into entirely new musical sections following the bridge without ever actually going back to the chorus section.
I know that he is supposed to contribute to the band in the way of samples and programming, but I think I'll pass if more obvious involvement from Joe means him just scratching along with any given guitar riff as he used to. That reeks of "HEY GUYS, LOOK WE HAVE A DJ" at times, which is kind of at odds with that lyric from Step Up; moreover, I generally dislike when musicians seem to add certain elements to songs just for the sake of it and that is essentially what that would be. With some exceptions Joe is probably at the bottom of the pile when it comes to turntablists in rock bands (Frank Delgado, the two who were in Incubus, etc), or at least that was definitely the case before MTM. Then again he's probably only one of a few now considering that most of them have became 'keyboardists' or multi-instrumentalists of some sort.
Or LP is doing a sort of mix between the old style and the new style, like Trivium does now on the new album
^ That would actually be a good idea, but like someone said, I don't want too many 'pop' songs. Songs like What I've Done, No More Sorrow and Hands Held High should DEFINITELY be on the next album :]
I want it to sound good also I really like the Hybrid Theory cd, and its probably my favourite. I know they won't be making a cd like that anytime soon, but it'd be nice to have some songs on the new cd like that. Songs like papercut, by myself, and a place for my head would be great!
MAybe Chester begins in a song with a M2M like singstyle then Chester screams like he did on Meteora and Mike does a little rap part and then the chorus singstyle like on HT and then a rap verse from Mike then chorus then rap verse again and scream from Chester then chorus and then a guitar solo and then the chorus again 2 times and Mike does 1 line rapping
i am neew in this forum, but i ve bin following the band since 2001. and i must say that over the years, the band has changed largely with every album. from HT to Meteora To M2M. But i think that don gilmore was great, and that the new sound was not that bad either. but there was an incompleteness about their album this time: songs like no more sorrow and hands held high have a deep political background, and so does What ive done with its video, that it just doesnt suit LP. on albums b4 this, i remember listening to songs and feeling that everyone was perfect, even obscure tracks like forgotten and hit the floor and so on. but on M2M, some songs were truly off the mark and the bands topic. With this new album, they must have a bang in order to survive, cuz they are losing fans faster than they are gaining them. they should infuse their old sound with the new one: the rap and the DJ should come back, the bass and drums have stood out in M2M, and all else must be fine with real cool lyrics with no politics
^ AGREED. (Although I don't like Coldplay much ) I hope they have a soft, slow opening and interlude thingy, which will slowly build up to the last song, which has the same tune and stuff like in Reanimation with Opening, Ntr/Mssion and Krwling :]
According to that Rolling Stone interview, Rick Rubin probably isnt coming back, so thats definately a good sign. You know, it kind of seems like the bands listening to us here, I mean they seem to be doing pretty much everything right at this point. Granted, that could definately change, but what im hearing so far is really getting me interested in the next album.
i want a thicker guitar sound...all of MTM had several guitars on every song but it didnt sound nearly as loud as it did on HT and Meteora...i want a "wall of Guitars" approach again