Mall Rampage Gunman Wanted Fame

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    Todd

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    Not entirely true, the congress and the pres controls the laws, but you basically answered your own question. If the dumbass (with the help of congress) passed more gun control legislation, this may not have happened.
     
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    Well yeah, I guess, but I also said that even if the law did change, people would STILL have guns, and tragedies like this would still happen. Regardless of our president.
     
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    Oh fuck.

    He announced his plan on the 4chan /b/ board.
     
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    I hate it when people make excuses for this kind of shit. I've read several times in different places already "Oh, I don't agree with what he did, but I understand his pain", "He had problems". or my favorite, "He must've been picked on alot". So the fuck what? Who hasn't been picked on before? Why are there people always ready and willing to be there saying "Well, he had problems, blah blah blah, bullying...". It's just like, Goddammit, everyones got problems, and most of them are bigger than getting fired from McDonalds.
     
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    Sometimes it's hard for someone to be bigger than the bickering, bigger than the petty name-calling and under-the-breath talking.

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    Blackee Dammet

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    I think after a while, pointing the finger gets old. Point your finger at the government. Point your finger at Bush. Point your finger at the media. After a while, you'd run out of fingers to point.

    Incidents like these happen due to a combination of things, not just because Bush doesn't pass no-gun laws, or because the media publicizes events and shows other psychologically disturbed people how to commit mass homicides. These things result from a culmination of failures to prevent. We wouldn't have to worry about guns if necessary action was taken on this guy. Everyone knew he was depressed and obviously had some serious issues. Who stopped him? You can't always depend on the law to stop the shit before it happens. I don't care if it's their responsibility. As a person, you have the responsibility to do what is right. It's up to you to accept and take it.

    No one seemed to do anything about this kid, and unfortunately, people don't remark until after someone kills his or herself or until they kill a bunch of people before killing themselves that a person or group of people are disturbed, bullied, depressed, whatever.

    That shouldn't happen.

    You look at the world now and the depressed person bound to snap is evident and inevitable. So, why don't you stop that person? You see the kid is sad, alone, unsociable, etc. You stop him. Waiting for him to get a gun, and not only that, wait for him to get a gun, shoot it up, and then blame it on Bush isn't going to solve your problem.

    Apparently, everyone seems under the impression that a society relies solely on their government and that isn't the case. Yes, you have a government to keep things civilized and set an order to things, as well as to protect you from any sort of major catastrophe like war. However, they aren't always going to stop events like this mall rampage. You can't blame them. You could stop the guns. He'll get a knife. Or he'll even steal the gun if he has to. You don't know what lengths people like these go to just to prove their point. Making a law won't stop him.

    However, a person with concern and suspicion can. Time and time again, that person, or group of people, fails.

    I'm no fanatic of the Bush administration and nor do I really have any support for the current gun laws in place. However, pointing the finger at the wrong person won't get you anywhere, let alone pointing the finger at all. Awareness, however, will. The media, however disgusting in some ways it may be, provides a sense of awareness. Blame them for telling everyone something they might want to be aware of in case they have someone psychologically disturbed in their vicinity. Blame them. It won't stop anything.

    I think we are relying so heavily on corruption in our government that we are now forming corruption amongst ourselves.

    Yeah, pointing the finger after a while gets old. Especially if it's at big-man Bush every time.
     
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    QFT. Thank you.
     
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    Louis, thank you. Pretty much what I wanted to say but in a more intelligent manner. :lol:
     
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    While gun-control isn't the only problem, it's a glaring issue that can easily
    be fixed and would at least decrease the amount of times these incidents happen. As far as people always getting on Bush... I say it's about damn
    time. His first term as president was devoid of finger pointing. The American public followed his every word, and look where it's gotten us now. The administration said there were WMD's in Iraq, and anybody who questioned
    the validity of that was called "un-American." It's about time we started
    judging our leaders performance critically, and not let them get off easy.

    The Bush Administration and Congress should be held liable for not enacting laws to keep us safe. The fact that this kid was easily able to obtain an AK-47 (from one of his relatives to boot), should be a tell-tale sign that something isn't right. It's not going to solve the problem, because I think the issue really has more to do with how ingrained violence is in our society, but it's at least a step in the right direction.
     
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    But whose fault is it that the Bush Administration is in power? Wait, who elected him? It was the people. The people of the United States of America. He won both terms because we elected him. Yes, Bush, as president, should have been doing the right things and since 2003 a lot of things have gone, well, not as we would have liked. However, it's not only the government's duty to keep this country stable, it is also ours. As a nation united, it is part of our duty to help keep this country's stability. So we elect Bush, who did pretty well for his first couple of years. He held well during September 11. However, everyone starts saying, "Gar, I knew he'd be a bad president from the beginning" but it's complete bullshit because we still elected him, for both terms.

    And all of the sudden democrats, as well as republicans, who were for the war are now saying, "Ooh, I'm against it. I've always been against it fuck Bush and I'm going to be a better president." Bullshit. You elected him. You funded him. You allowed him to make his decisions. (Not you specifically, I'm speaking in generalities). I know there are some earnest people here who have always been against Bush. However, I know of several who have taken on a liberal view simply because everyone else is, and because it's the new fad to be a Bush-hater.

    I've never hated the Bush administration. I see the mistakes they've done. Yeah I think it's time for a new administration. However, we put them there, we said we'd support them, we gave him money to fund a war, and we're doing nothing to stop it. If anything, we started it. We're to blame. Society is to blame, not just the government. Don't expect anything from anyone. You know what your country needs. Make sure you find someone who will provide it next time, and stop bitching about your mistakes because that doesn't get Bush anywhere near leaving Office.

    Gun laws are gun laws, and although I don't agree with them all of the time, people need to know that you can lock up your guns. There are other things out there. Materials to make bombs, sharp objects like knives and machetes, poisonous substances and your arms and fists. Deprive a man of a gun, he'll get something else. This kid was deranged. It's quite obvious that if he was deprived of a gun, he wouldn't stop there. There are so many laws to break and so many ways to break them. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Laws don't solve everything.

    Like I said earlier, to stop these sort of things, they have to be stopped early on, at the first signs of a problem. Like a cold, or a cancer, or a tumor. They have to be stopped early on before they can get out of hand. People knew this kid was depressed. Who did anything to stop him? Time and time again, we wait until they kill somebody. We wait until they end their own lives. We're dumb-fucks because we continually make this mistake. That's where it has to stop. Bush won't stop it for you. The NRA won't stop it for you. You've got to stop it there. That's the only way these things are prevented.
     
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    I do agree with Louis, but I think the gun law will always be a little to blame too.

    If you can't get your hands on a gun, you can't go shooting people.

    Still, the solution lies not in the hands of the government who could change those laws but in the people around the kid, the school and family to notice such dramatic plans and help him.
     
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    Tim

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    Like I said in my post... I don't think stricter gun-laws are going to solve the problem outright, but its a necessary step that should have been taken long ago. The lobbying power of the gun and tobacco industries in the U.S. are far too powerful. If somebody is dead set on harming others, I agree they can be creative, but we shouldn't make it easy for them. I don't exactly disagree with what you say, but I also don't think we should discard gun-control so easily.

    As far as Bush-Bashing goes, there are a lot of bandwagon jumpers, but I still think the seething anger towards him is completely rational and justified. He has done absolutely nothing of merit since he was elected and failed to fulfill the most menial of presidential prerequisites. For that, I think he deserves every ounce of bullshit he gets.
     
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    well yeah, stereotyping and what not and plus presidents are sorta the representative/face of the country so im not entirely suprised...
     

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