I stopped reading when the person told me something wasn't music. Don't tell me what is and isn't music, buddy. It's all subjective.
Exactly. I get pissed when elitists say rap or techno is not music. To me, any kind of sound being toned through melodies and harmonies could be music, no matter which portal is being used; voice or instrument. Under that definition, simply tapping on my desk with different pitches could be music.
I understand what you mean guys...but you have to admit that Jazz is on a whole other musical level than punk or any type of rock...the talent, knowledge, and musical level jazz players are at dwarfs any punk or rock musician. Believe me, I play both, and love both...but jazz is something totally different. Rock/pop musicians get months to record an album? Jazz musicians get a matter of DAYS to record theirs! Improvising is such a hugely amazing skill that involves a total mastery of your instrument and knowledge of all scales, modes, triads, and chords in order to do it properly! I think he goes WAY over the top but he definately has a point. And follow his advice on jazz players to listen to (edited): Trumpet: Miles Davis, Louis Armstrong, Wynton Marsalis, Dizzy Gillespie, Al Hirt, Nicholas Payton, Louis Prima, Chuck Mangione, Arturo Sandoval, Maynard Ferguson (ADD Lee Morgan, Eric Dolphy) Saxophone: John Coltrane, Sonny Rollins, Charlie Parker, Stan Getz, Paul Desmond, Benny Carter (Add Wayne Shorter, Mike Murley, Campbell Ryga, Stanley Turrentine, and Dexter Gordon) Trombone: Jay Jay Johnson, Curtis Fuller, Glenn Miller, Tommy Dorsey, Kai Winding, Al Grey, Steve Turre, Dickie Wells, Carl Fontana (ADD Alastair Kay, Hugh Fraser, Alain Trudel) Drums: Buddy Rich, Roy Haynes, Jack DeJohnette, Billy Cobham, Joe Morello, Gene Krupa, Harvey Mason, Peter Erskine, Vinnie Colaiuta, Max Roach, Elvin Jones, Jimmy Cobb(Add Dave Weckl, Barry Elmes, and Art Blakey) Bass: Charles Mingus, Stanley Clarke, Jaco Pastorius, John Patitucci, Victor Wooten, Marcus Miller, Neils-Henning Orsted Pedersen, Abraham Laboriel, Paul Jackson, (ADD Paul Chambers, Jimmy Garrison, Christian McBride) Piano: Thelonius Monk, Herbie Hancock, Chick Corea, Count Basie, Sun Ra, Bill Evans, Horace Silver, David Benoit, Eddie Palmieri, Nat King Cole, Ellis Marsalis (ADD Joe Zawinul, Mark Eisenman, Dave Restivo, and McCoy Tyner, and OSCAR PETERSON!)
I stopped reading when it said that punk isn't music. If you told the Misfits (or maybe that's a bad example... how about that crazy fucker that slit his chest on stage instead of his wrists?) they weren't punk they'd probably drop a bomb on your head. So yeah, I stopped reading after that. And by bomb I mean shit.
Oh sure, I agree with him on jazz. I don't agree with how indulgent he became on the subject of what's saying is and isn't music.
I won't say punk is not music, because music is hard to really define these days. But yes, I think there's much more skill, class, and elegance in jazz than in most other genres out there. Still, you have to consider the audience a genre caters to. Punk music is what it is today because people choose to listen to it. So you can blame the musicians as much as the audience, but hey, if people like listening to it and it doesn't promote some weird nazi/racisist-shit, then who cares. Let them be happy in their punk world
Music is basically sound that someone enjoys. Obviously, that person does not enjoy punk. Therefore he does not classify it as music. Punk is music to many people. I enjoy punk music. And the guy's an idiot for saying that it isn't. That's just wrong. It's like me saying that White bread is bread, and Italian Bread isn't (bad example, but yeah).
I must say, your friend tries to rant on a broad range of subjects, with little to back it up. You can't complain about today's music by comparing Punk to fucking Jazz. Besides that, he's got punk mixed up with fucking screamo and goddamn pop-rock. Punk, in a real sense was The Sex Pistols, and fucking.. The Clash - that was real punk. Then came newer business, like Sublime, who still made good music. That's punk. This kid needs to fucking learn about music before he starts preaching on it. Oh. I've never heard of Thelonious Monk, but does that make me a music illiterate nobody? According to this fucking moron it does! Oh, and yep, all movies today because people in this fuckhead's 'chorus class' went to see 'Bring It On Again'. Honestly, you friend is a fucking total asshole with no logic or common sense. He's just all angry, so he decides to start ranting about one thing, and back it up with something totally different. You know, some people (not even myself, I have a dislike for punk) like punk covers. He says they sound like shit because he doesn't like them. "Make it sound better"? That's a fucking opinion, not a fact. Shit buddy, you lose again. And what if I don't like Jazz covers - would I be in the right to say that Jazz sucks the big one and they should play their own songs? So I guess he's the one who decides what's music in this world and what isn't. His facts against what he's attacking are completly fiction of the mind, and are beefed up with his own brand of bullshit... He doesn't think they write their own songs, I guess they don't. What else can I say? The guy's a fucking whiner. He sounds JUST like the people he's bitching about. A little girl pants wearing emo bitch. He acts all proud that he yelled and screamed at a cashier because he didn't know about some fucking piano player that I can't even pronounce, let alone try to spell. How does that make him any different from the 'evil, overexpressive punk people' that he's attacking in this whole thing? Please direct him here Nate, he needs to know that he's a fucking idiot.