Science and maybe soul to soften all the things that are dissapointing cause Science says they don't exist
I can tell you why hurricanes happen. Because of humans. No better explanation. Even though hurricanes usually develop around open water and develop due to the certain circumstances of the weather, our pollution and everything has something to do with it. I'm not going to go into details though. It's science. Soul is just opinion. Science is facts.
I can tell you why hurricanes happen. Because of humans. No better explanation. Even though hurricanes usually develop around open water and develop due to the certain circumstances of the weather, our pollution and everything has something to do with it. I'm not going to go into details though. It's science. Soul is just opinion. Science is facts. [/b][/quote] how much science is fact because the soul told them it is....i think thats the way the world works....
I can tell you why hurricanes happen. Because of humans. No better explanation. Even though hurricanes usually develop around open water and develop due to the certain circumstances of the weather, our pollution and everything has something to do with it. I'm not going to go into details though. It's science. Soul is just opinion. Science is facts. [/b][/quote] Agreed about the hurricanes. But not everything is 100% fact, what about the things that can't be explained by science? Soul, is very important, in my opinion, everything should have a balance, you can't just cut something off completely. Opinions are very important
Science cannot explain a lot of things that religion can and whatever it might say, the reasons aren't worth all the explanation. We do not go empty headed when we are given the reason for a question. Science doesn't explain such curiousity, our soul does. we are curious and that's that. ask a scientist why he's curious to study about so many things, and he'd just say it's his nature. what's nature then? he'll define the natural evironmant. he can't explain anything but the facts that may seem true, but it's all actually made up because he craves something to appeal to him, apart from religion and the soul. he makes up theories that are eventually found out to be lies. YES, THE DARWIN THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS FALSE. so, i feel that soul rules but science is no underdog either.
hope this helps u decide To state Earth is a point in space A place in the universe of infinity Is a mere paradox of the infinite No actual point of space or time is possible Given infinity has no beginning, no end Nothing is the surrounding Yet being is the encompassing The essence of being is infinitesimal infinity continuum The vital, the spiritual, the truth is essence A vast affirmation of the reality of being Is the paradoxical essence of vital subject and object The whole of infinity equates with the truth Of universal being as scientific positive veracity There is no lie in the truth The truth is in the lie The paradox of truth is all is infinity Is the structure of universal unity The lord of life is the alpha and omega of truth
I quoted this in another thread: A Ghost In The Machine It's a very interesting essay, it uses brain problems to argue against the existence of the soul. And nope, I don't believe in the existence of the soul.
Doesn't random, by definition, mean LACK of definite purpose? If it's random, isn't there nothing to look for? Or do you mean how things happened? To the topic at hand, the jury is still out for me. Tranz: " Science cannot explain a lot of things that religion can and whatever it might say, the reasons aren't worth all the explanation. We do not go empty headed when we are given the reason for a question. Science doesn't explain such curiousity, our soul does. we are curious and that's that. ask a scientist why he's curious to study about so many things, and he'd just say it's his nature. what's nature then? he'll define the natural evironmant. he can't explain anything but the facts that may seem true, but it's all actually made up because he craves something to appeal to him, apart from religion and the soul. he makes up theories that are eventually found out to be lies. YES, THE DARWIN THEORY OF EVOLUTION IS FALSE. so, i feel that soul rules but science is no underdog either. " That doesn't mean that religion explains anything more than science does, actually, you just proved that it explains less by avioding causality altogether.
I like the essay, very well done except for one point: "If there is a god who is fair and just, and who punishes or rewards us for our actions, he would not set things up so that these actions can be dictated or altered by brain chemistry, genes, or other factors over which we have no control. Unless he is an unjust tyrant, he would make our actions the result of the individual's free choice." I'm sure you would think God's an unjust tyrant if he didn't give us the right of free choice but now you're saying he's unjust because he gave us some freedom, I don't get it. I think that the mind and soul are one. In one language (forgot which one) the mind, soul and spirit are all one word, there's no difference.
I like the essay, very well done except for one point: "If there is a god who is fair and just, and who punishes or rewards us for our actions, he would not set things up so that these actions can be dictated or altered by brain chemistry, genes, or other factors over which we have no control. Unless he is an unjust tyrant, he would make our actions the result of the individual's free choice." I'm sure you would think God's an unjust tyrant if he didn't give us the right of free choice but now you're saying he's unjust because he gave us some freedom, I don't get it. I think that the mind and soul are one. In one language (forgot which one) the mind, soul and spirit are all one word, there's no difference. [/b][/quote] I think he's referring to mental disorders, seen as that's what the whole essay is about. Also, well done to you for getting through it
I think he's referring to mental disorders, seen as that's what the whole essay is about. Also, well done to you for getting through it [/b][/quote] I just skipped all the words I didn't understand...which were quite a bit I still think that just because you can't see it doesn't mean that the soul doesn't exist.
Read the article, it's trying to say that disorders of the brain can influence the way you act, therefore diproving the existence of the soul. The words you probably don't recognise are the disorders. Edit: Try reading this part, it's small compared to the rest of the article
I read until it started talking about amnesia. The brain can influence the way you act but that isn't what the soul does. The soul doesn't tell you how to act, your soul is how you act. Edit: I posted this before you edited your post and added the article. *goes to read the article*
I read until it started talking about amnesia. The brain can influence the way you act but that isn't what the soul does. The soul doesn't tell you how to act, your soul is how you act. Edit: I posted this before you edited your post and added the article. *goes to read the article* [/b][/quote] Okay, I'll check back in a bit then, I hope you have something to say
One guy out of million survives an out of body injury. No wonder the guy's cranky and disrespectful, he can't see out of his left eye! That doesn't prove anything about the existence or lack of the existence of the soul. All of a sudden he changed because he had a near death experience not because a part of his brain that decides what his personality is like got damaged.
Not being able to see doesn't necessarily make you cranky. And, yes it does disprove the existence of the soul. The soul, like you said, is how you act. That, and other examples in the essay (which you didn't read) show that damage to your frontal lobes will change your personality. I think that if the guy had survived with his brain intact edit: or another part of his brain damaged, he would have been glad to be alive, and therefore polite to his workers. I think your last sentence doesn't make sense, "his personality didn't change because the part of his brain which controls his personality got damaged," is basically what you are saying. If part of your brain gets damaged, it will affect the way it works, the brain is a very complex organ. Working the soul into this, if the soul did exist, it wouldn't have been damaged by an object, and he would have been completely normal, dispite having part of his brain absent.
I read the article, and, be it my own ignorance, or something else, I don't see the correlation. Who says the "soul" or "spirit" is merely your personality traits? It's seems like an over-specific, odd definition, in my mind. Upon altering the mind, one alters the person, yes, there's no dispute about that. But are you trying to insinuate that the soul is nothing but the human brain? If that's the case, you haven't really "disproved" the existence of a possible soul, you've just asserted that everything exists on a physical plane; that there are no metaphysical properties to a human being.
Alright, unfortunately, my reply has gone walkies so I'll try and remember what I said. The soul is your personality traits. What else could it really be? Your personality is everything from the way you walk, to your beliefs about communism. Yes, I am trying to say that the soul is infact the brain. The soul is believed to be a metaphysical being, and if everything exists on a physical plane, then the soul doesn't exist. I'm getting the impression that by soul, you mean personality. Am I correct? Because I'm talking about (for example), the spiritual being that hindus believe is released when a dead body is burnt.
I wanted to know the definitions of the terms you were making your argument on, that is all. I understand your argument, and I'm not against it per se, I'm just not sure WHY you think a soul is only defined by an individual's personality traits. I mean, just saying "what else could it be?" doesn't really justify anything.
Like I said, personality is everything from the way you walk to your thoughts on communism. Personality is what makes you a person, an individual, and this is what I believe is controlled by the brain. The brain does not merely control body functions, it controls the persons individuality too. I don't think I'm explaining myself well, because I'm shattered, but do you understand me now? Another thing: I don't think you can put "only" and "personality" side by side, because personality is a huge thing.