Federal Judge declares Pledge unconstitutional

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    Caitlin

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    Source: USATODAY

    Granted this isn't in effect for the whole country, but I thought it was interesting that the issue was actually brought to court.

    edit: I can't type URLs, apparently.
     
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    The Outsider

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    wow ive never heard about this till now...
     
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    I heard about this last night.

    Why don't we just take the "under God" bit out of the Pledge and have done with it?
     
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    I don't really mind saying it. Sometimes I say it, but if I'm busy with something, I won't go out of my way to say it.
     
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    Well, I believe in God, but I don't really mind if it's in there or not. People who want to can say it, people who don't want to can skip over it. I mean, it was added into the pledge in the modern era, so it's not like the pledge has always had it.
     
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    I'm not the most religious person you'll find around but I find this to be stupid. The word "God" is found on most things dealing with the country; why don't people complain about them as much as they complain about the pledge?

    Pretty soon it'll be unconstitutional to have a church in the United States, despite freedom of religion.

    Okay, so that's exagerrating and going too far; but you never know in this day and age.
     
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    Well, people have a choice to go to a church. From what I've read and heard, many students are forced to recite the pledge and use the word "God" against their will sometimes. Just to be fair to everyone, it should be removed.

    (I know you're exaggerating, but I'm pointing out the differences. :p)
     
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    Well, people have a choice to go to a church. From what I've read and heard, many students are forced to recite the pledge and use the word "God" against their will sometimes. Just to be fair to everyone, it should be removed.

    (I know you're exaggerating, but I'm pointing out the differences. :p) [/b][/quote]
    I don't know any teachers that actually force students to say the pledge. They may ask (and emphasize their asking, so to speak), but I've never seen them force someone.
     
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    freedom of religion should be a freedom to disbelief in such, therefore people should pledge their loyalty to God in Church, Mosque or Synagogue, but the pledge to the country- to any country, should not have God in there at all or the millions of atheists can be happily hypocritical for the sake of the religious. i don't think so. loyalty to the country, is loyalty to the country, it has nothing to do with God, as i said, freedom of religion should grant you that you can go and pray and celebrate your God, in approciate places and at your home.
     
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    You won't see me complaining :whistle: ;)
     
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    You won't see me complaining :whistle: ;) [/b][/quote]
    You won't see me complain either.
     
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    You won't see me complain either. [/b][/quote]
    Me either :)

    But This much just becuase of two words? rubbish!


    But then again, I never say it anymore...
     
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    Pledge from 1924-1954
    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

    Pledge from 1952-Now
    "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
     
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    I don't know any teachers that actually force students to say the pledge. They may ask (and emphasize their asking, so to speak), but I've never seen them force someone. [/b][/quote]
    Keaton and Todd can probably elaborate on that better than I can. It's happened to both of them, from what I can remember.

    Edit (I found these in 2 seconds): http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/docu...documentID=3047
    http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/docu...ocumentID=10196

    Schools are not allowed to punish kids for not reciting the pledge but many still do.
     
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    I think it's nice to see that freedom of non-religion is finally regaining some kind of its power. :)
     
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    I used to get punished and ridiculed for not saying the pledge.

    I used to get sent to the principal’s office and I was also ridiculed in front of my entire class for not saying it as well. Others got similar punishments for failing to say it, too.

    We never had a choice or option as to whether or not we could say it.

    Although I don't have to do it anymore, I like this movement in case my future children have no interest in religion. I wouldn't like them to go through what I did. The less for people to complain about, the better I say. You shouldn't have to celebrate your religion publicly to be proud of what you believe in, so keeping general statements of religion to a minimum is a good thing, in my opinion.

    I say if people need to remind themselves in which name they live under, then you're either not loyal to that religion or just egotistical. Sure, the "under God" was put in to show pride at one point, but America IS the land of freedom and diversity, so this is not completely unjustifiable in my book.

    But I'm not here to start anything so I'll be on my way. :lol:
     
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    i think it's all bullshit. granted, i don't believe in god, but so many others do, and it's not like the ones who don't get all offended by it. i dunno why everyone has to make such a big deal of it.
     
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    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion ..."
     
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    Mark, lots of things happen in schools that "aren't supposed to". I hardly think that because an extremely small percentage (I'd say less than 0.5%) of schools punish students for refusing to recite the pledge that it is indicative of the entire nation.

    Don't get me wrong, I still disagree with any school that punishes students for not reciting the pledge, but can you honestly go so far as to say "many" students are forced to recite it?


    I used to get punished and ridiculed for not saying the pledge.

    I used to get sent to the principal’s office and I was also ridiculed in front of my entire class for not saying it as well. Others got similar punishments for failing to say it, too.

    We never had a choice or option as to whether or not we could say it.

    Although I don't have to do it anymore, I like this movement in case my future children have no interest in religion. I wouldn't like them to go through what I did. The less for people to complain about, the better I say. You shouldn't have to celebrate your religion publicly to be proud of what you believe in, so keeping general statements of religion to a minimum is a good thing, in my opinion.

    I say if people need to remind themselves in which name they live under, then you're either not loyal to that religion or just egotistical. Sure, the "under God" was put in to show pride at one point, but America IS the land of freedom and diversity, so this is not completely unjustifiable in my book.

    But I'm not here to start anything so I'll be on my way. :lol:
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    Sorry that happened to you, but as I said, I've never actually seen that happen, or even heard of it happening to someone... until now, at least.

    And, for anyone interested in more on the constitution and religion...
    http://www.humanismbyjoe.com/meaning_of_es...tablishment.htm
     
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    Keaton and Todd can probably elaborate on that better than I can. It's happened to both of them, from what I can remember.

    Edit (I found these in 2 seconds): http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/docu...documentID=3047
    http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/docu...ocumentID=10196

    Schools are not allowed to punish kids for not reciting the pledge but many still do. [/b][/quote]
    Nah, its never happened to me. When we had to say it in high school, I would typically say the pledge but mutter something anti-religious in place of "under god" :D
     

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