Post-London Paranoia... or true?

$pvcxGhxztCasey · Jul 12, 2005

WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years.

The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."

At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.

But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.

According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.

"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.

Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.

Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.

The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.

According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.

Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.

There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.

The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.

In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative "to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate."

"Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time," he said. "As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of 'when,' not 'if.' And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation's margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil."
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Testament · Jul 12, 2005

That's very disturbing.

I Don't Need No Accuser · Jul 12, 2005

Originally posted by Thanatos@Jul 12 2005, 01:34 AM
That's very disturbing.
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Indeed it is. I think it's partially paranoia but I don't think it's completely false.

Link · Jul 12, 2005

I've always wanted to get out of America because something like this is going to happen someday. This is just further motivation.

I Don't Need No Accuser · Jul 12, 2005

Man this really gets to me. Like just listening to Fall Out Boy and imagining one day that everything that's so great about America is gone because of fucking terrorists. It really ticks me off that because other people make mistakes, the innocent people of this country like the kids have to suffer the consequences.

JJ · Jul 12, 2005

Originally posted by I Don't Need No Accuser@Jul 12 2005, 04:10 AM
Man this really gets to me. Like just listening to Fall Out Boy and imagining one day that everything that's so great about America is gone because of fucking terrorists. It really ticks me off that because other people make mistakes, the innocent people of this country like the kids have to suffer the consequences.
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word.

Methybrea · Jul 12, 2005

(NOTE: I know this also has to do with Islamic Extremism, but the uprising and support of these factions is very much due to US involvement)

The American government has been taking advantage of countries in the Middle East, Asia, and Central/South America for years, and I think that up until Sept. 11th, 2001, they didn't think they would have any formidible opposition from any terrorist groups. They screwed people and had no thought of the consequences, just putting off the growth of anti-Americanism over the 80s and 90s. Now that they know that the terrorists have large-scale capabilities that they have little or no control over, it is scary for them (and for us). I don't know if it will be a nuclear strike but I have large bets that something big is gonna happen in the next 5 years. Basically, US interventionism was executed only with the benefits in mind, not the consequences to other countries as well as themselves. If you want to read about this stuff, read books on the Cold War era and World War II with their dealings in Palestine, Iraq, and Iran; their intervention in states like Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and the Phillipines; their prevention of democratic states in Guatamala, Nicauragua, Venezuala, and El Salvador...need I go on? A great book on this is "The Culture of Terrorism" by Noam Chomsky, saying the same point I'm making with tons of documentative evidence.

What I'm saying: there are a few sick bastards who are out there like Osama bin Laden, but most terrorists are brain-washed and irrational fundamentalists and these people are doing this partly because of what the West has done to their country economically as well as their culture. We cannot blame it all on them. The US has pissed people off. Now they can fight back, and they are all in a panic. Again, the innocent, not the governement and big business, will suffer the consequences as I Don't Need An Accuser said.

The important part, I think, is to look back and find/understand the ROOT of the problem. This will help us to better understand how to fight terrorism.

minusxerø · Jul 12, 2005

Originally posted by JJ87+Jul 12 2005, 06:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (JJ87 @ Jul 12 2005, 06:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--I Don't Need No Accuser@Jul 12 2005, 04:10 AM
Man this really gets to me. Like just listening to Fall Out Boy and imagining one day that everything that's so great about America is gone because of fucking terrorists. It really ticks me off that because other people make mistakes, the innocent people of this country like the kids have to suffer the consequences.
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Here's the perfect system, as outlined by System of a Down:

Why don't Presidents fight the war?
Why do we always send the poor?

Justin · Jul 12, 2005

Source?
Foxnews?

Mark · Jul 15, 2005

Originally posted by Vismund Cygnus@Jul 11 2005, 09:18 PM
However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.

The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.
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That, right there, shows Bush doesn't care about his citizens and only cares about himself and his fellow politicians in the Federal Government. It's sickening.

Justin: FOX News would be reporting in favor of Bush, this doesn't make him look good.

Link04 · Jul 15, 2005

Originally posted by Odaton@Jul 12 2005, 03:02 PM
(NOTE: I know this also has to do with Islamic Extremism, but the uprising and support of these factions is very much due to US involvement)

The American government has been taking advantage of countries in the Middle East, Asia, and Central/South America for years, and I think that up until Sept. 11th, 2001, they didn't think they would have any formidible opposition from any terrorist groups. They screwed people and had no thought of the consequences, just putting off the growth of anti-Americanism over the 80s and 90s. Now that they know that the terrorists have large-scale capabilities that they have little or no control over, it is scary for them (and for us). I don't know if it will be a nuclear strike but I have large bets that something big is gonna happen in the next 5 years. Basically, US interventionism was executed only with the benefits in mind, not the consequences to other countries as well as themselves. If you want to read about this stuff, read books on the Cold War era and World War II with their dealings in Palestine, Iraq, and Iran; their intervention in states like Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, and the Phillipines; their prevention of democratic states in Guatamala, Nicauragua, Venezuala, and El Salvador...need I go on? A great book on this is "The Culture of Terrorism" by Noam Chomsky, saying the same point I'm making with tons of documentative evidence.

What I'm saying: there are a few sick bastards who are out there like Osama bin Laden, but most terrorists are brain-washed and irrational fundamentalists and these people are doing this partly because of what the West has done to their country economically as well as their culture. We cannot blame it all on them. The US has pissed people off. Now they can fight back, and they are all in a panic. Again, the innocent, not the governement and big business, will suffer the consequences as I Don't Need An Accuser said.

The important part, I think, is to look back and find/understand the ROOT of the problem. This will help us to better understand how to fight terrorism.
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Agreed.

But wait, they actually proved it was Al-Queda behind London's bombings?

Ant · Jul 15, 2005

A tad off-topic, but does anyone watch the Daily Show here? I think they had a nice little coverage of the Post-Lodon thing (literally) and how all the news stations were changing it to 'Could it happen in America?'.

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