Did you choose to be straight? I don't think so. You were born straight. You probably never thought 'Hey, I want to be straight.' because you always were straight. The same thing for homosexuals and bisexuals. edit: when you grow up you make hormones and you become straight, bi, or gay. You aren't aware of it, you become aware when you are confronted with it, by yourself or by others. Just like you grow, you aren't aware your body becomes taller but when someone say you are taller than last time you are ware of your growth. What I mean to say, you don't choose your hormones, you don't choose how you feel, you don't know in the beginning (when you are still a child, you don't care about your sexuality) you're becoming what you are. Another thing. Why do some people feel and say being hetero is normal and being gay or bi is less normal or even wrong? Being gay or being bi just as normal as being hetero. Because there are more straight people doesn't mean being straight is the best way to go. [/b][/quote] Agreed, which is why its unfair to treat them differntly, they didnt choose to be homosexual or bisexual, just like some didnt choose to be hetro, so why treat them differntly? there are some things that you cant choose, and this is one of them, so you cant hate people, or take the piss out of people for being themselves. and its not like they are any differnt is it?
I understand, but there's always grey area. You can always get colored contacts. [/b][/quote] ... Just like you can naturally be homosexual and pretend you're not for years.
Many Christians think that sex should only be used to produce children, and since homosexual sex doesn't produce children, they are against it.[/b][/quote] Are you kidding me Sax? The Bible is very clear in that sex was created not just for procreation, but for pleasure as well. In a nutshell, here's what a majority of modern day Christians think in regards to homosexuality: [*]It goes against the natural order of things. Someone should meet and marry another of the opposite sex, not one of the same sex. [*]It is made very clear in both the Old and New Testament that God is against homosexuality, which is regarded as a sexual sin. [*]Using the two points above, this leads us to the idea that most Christians today regard homosexuals as abominations. Here's what I think: (This opinion was formed through my interpretation of the Bible. I would put down references from the book itself, but I don't have one handy) I don't believe that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances or through choice. I don't care if you call me crazy, but I think that one becomes homosexual through influence in the spiritual realm; from the devil himself, more specifically. It's said that he has powers like God, so it's quite possible that he can also influence someone's sexual orientation. This probably won't make sense to any of you at all, and I don't expect it to. Anyways, the reason why I believe it's through spiritual influence is because in Genesis, it was said that it was very peaceful, until Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Also in Revelation, it's said during God's reign on earth that a lion and a lamb will be able to sit beside each other without the lion wanting to eat the lamb. This led me to the conclusion that animals attack each other because of influence from Satan. If that were true, wouldn't it also be possible that men would seek a physical relationship with each other for that very same reason? Okay, I guess that's enough from me. I'm not trying to preach to you, or pass this off as truth: This is simply what I believe. You are entitled to disagree with it just as much as I am entitled to disagree with yours.
Are you kidding me Sax? The Bible is very clear in that sex was created not just for procreation, but for pleasure as well. In a nutshell, here's what a majority of modern day Christians think in regards to homosexuality: [*]It goes against the natural order of things. Someone should meet and marry another of the opposite sex, not one of the same sex. [*]It is made very clear in both the Old and New Testament that God is against homosexuality, which is regarded as a sexual sin. [*]Using the two points above, this leads us to the idea that most Christians today regard homosexuals as abominations. Here's what I think: (This opinion was formed through my interpretation of the Bible. I would put down references from the book itself, but I don't have one handy) I don't believe that homosexuality is caused by chemical imbalances or through choice. I don't care if you call me crazy, but I think that one becomes homosexual through influence in the spiritual realm; from the devil himself, more specifically. It's said that he has powers like God, so it's quite possible that he can also influence someone's sexual orientation. This probably won't make sense to any of you at all, and I don't expect it to. Anyways, the reason why I believe it's through spiritual influence is because in Genesis, it was said that it was very peaceful, until Satan decieved Adam and Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. Also in Revelation, it's said during God's reign on earth that a lion and a lamb will be able to sit beside each other without the lion wanting to eat the lamb. This led me to the conclusion that animals attack each other because of influence from Satan. If that were true, wouldn't it also be possible that men would seek a physical relationship with each other for that very same reason? Okay, I guess that's enough from me. I'm not trying to preach to you, or pass this off as truth: This is simply what I believe. You are entitled to disagree with it just as much as I am entitled to disagree with yours. [/b][/quote] That's sad. I understand completely what you say. I grew up with it. I just said this one week ago to a classmate. What bothers me about alot of christians is that the things they disagree to are placed under the label 'influenced by the devil'. It's really easy to talk your thoughts right isn't it? And a second. It's true that there are christians who believe sex is for production only. They're against protection aswell because, they say, if you get a baby, it was the will of God, your creator. But that doesn't really have to do with this topic.
Maybe a Christian or someone can answer this: Isn't God supposed to love everyone? Or does he still love the homosexuals, but diagree with how they're leading their life?
That's sad. I understand completely what you say. I grew up with it. I just said this one week ago to a classmate. What bothers me about alot of christians is that the things they disagree to are placed under the label 'influenced by the devil'. It's really easy to talk your thoughts right isn't it? And a second. It's true that there are christians who believe sex is for production only. They're against protection aswell because, they say, if you get a baby, it was the will of God, your creator. But that doesn't really have to do with this topic. [/b][/quote] no most christians are against protection because we believe that sex should be saved for with in the bounds of marriage, and not before it. so thus you shouldnt need protection if ppl would just wait till marriage. and at Cameron. i think you pretty much coverd it all...and to just back you up. i met a guy who was once a gay, before he came to know the Lord. after he did he realized that it was wrong and converted, and now has a wife and 2 kids. now tell me...can that honestly be a chemical inbalance?
no most christians are against protection because we believe that sex should be saved for with in the bounds of marriage, and not before it. so thus you shouldnt need protection if ppl would just wait till marriage. and at Cameron. i think you pretty much coverd it all...and to just back you up. i met a guy who was once a gay, before he came to know the Lord. after he did he realized that it was wrong and converted, and now has a wife and 2 kids. now tell me...can that honestly be a chemical inbalance? [/b][/quote] That's called "going against your sexual nature because you're a god-fearer". Religion has often come up with explanations in the face of proven scientific facts, and has come out wrong every time. Religion has never disproven a scientific fact. This is a scientific fact, that homosexuality is caused by hormonal imbalances.
I stopped considering myself a Christian back in September, but to answer your question, yes. [/b][/quote] so...if God disagree with how they live their lives they should go to hell..right? BUT He still loves them...right? Easy said. 'God' is the right and good one because he loves them but in the mean time don't give a fuck about them going to hell. It's like I'm saying 'I love you but I won't stop you from crossing the road when I know a car will hit you.' I think the word 'love' is included just to make god look like a loving god....though the word 'love' is so fake. When I still believed in a god, I sometimes thought he was playing the game 'how to make mankind's life as hard, unfair and confusing as possible' Gave me the feeling god was selfcentric and pretended to be the only good and pure one. So, I think that this all 'believe' in a god is useless. I met a guy who once was straight, while he knew the Lord. While he did he realized that he was wrong about his sexuality, and now, being still a christian, he got kicked out of the community. He lost his wife and 3 kids for some time. Now tell me...do you think it was his choice to be gay or could it be chemical inbalance? Never make a conclusion on just one story.
No. God doesn't send someone to hell because he wants to. The Bible talks about a 'Book of Life' that has everyone's name in it, including homosexuals, murderers, the worst of the worst, you know? In their lifetime, if one didn't choose to believe and follow Christ by the time they died, their name is taken out, and their soul is cast into hell. Like I said before, He doesn't want to do it, and in fact, He'd rather have them join Him in heaven. You only get one chance to live this life; if you blow it, then, well, you suffer the consequences. Oh, and I forgot to mention that the free will we have? Yeah, it plays a huge role in how things turn out. Although I disagree with what you say, I'm not going to stop you from believing that.
no most christians are against protection because we believe that sex should be saved for with in the bounds of marriage, and not before it. so thus you shouldnt need protection if ppl would just wait till marriage. [/b][/quote] Why wouldn't you need protection within the "bounds of marriage?" What if a couple could only afford to raise one child? Do they have to stop having sex? That's kind of silly. Does anyone have any essays/articles from well-known science magazines/wesites/et cetra about the whole chemical imbalence thing? I said before that I have no problem with homosexuality, which is true, and I do believe it's a natural behavior, and not an "unnatural" or "immoral" one, but I'm uncomfortable throwing around facts if I don't know that they are actually facts, and not just theories.
Why did God create hell in first place? and if the devil created it, why did God let him? I don't wish my enemies ... no wait .. I don't wish the people, who don't believe in me or have different opinions than me, to burn forever in hell. If God is so powerful, and he can beat the devil, why doesn't he do it now? he lets everyone wait and suffer for nothing. does he enjoy it? maybe I go a bit far but I really think this whole God and devil thing is a by mankind started puzzle, and everyone who contributed to this belief made (and still makes) a puzzlepiece, placed them all together and tried/s to make it work. And they say 'See, this puzzle fits perfectly' 'This is the thruth, our belief'
God didnt have to create a hell. but when adam first sinned, he broke away from God. and because of that God created a hell, for those who CHOOSE not to believe in Him, and thus go to hell at the end of their lives here on earth. but this is also why God sent his son so that we would have a second chance after adam ruined our first chance.
I can stand gay people who just act normal , but can's stand guys who have pink hear etc.. or female who are completely males
God is thought to be good,nice and caring because without it he would be something to fear rather than something to worship and love. The nature of God is often thought to be Omnibenevolent(the nice bit) ,Omnipotent( all powerful),omniscient(all seeing and knowing) andomnipresent( everywhere). So no-one would worship a God that could see everything you did and was everywhere you were and was the most powerful thing ever. So its seemed like the perfect solution at the time to just say he was nice aswell. Btw- I'm not Christian at all- I just like learnign about religion and stuff.
So God only makes it difficult for himself and for humans.. when adam sinned, god punished him with death and deseases ... I'm not sure about hell. And if he made hell because adam sinned, I still think that's harsh..and well, sounds like.. That god made humans but it went wrong, as he already knew .. but he still made man so it was supposed to go wrong, so he could punish man with death, deaseases and hell, but he promised one sulution, by sending his son to earth, let him suffer for man, so man can go to heaven IF they listen and do what god says, if not, you're ending up in hell. So he knew all along man would get punished, and he would send his son to be the 'savior'. seems very planned. People would see him as the mercyfull one while he let it go wrong from the start. And people would think its their fault bacause the devil influenced them..
hell was not created for the soul purpose of adam sinnning, but God knew that sin was a very real thing, and he had to have a place for sinners to go if they chose not to listen to God. god did not punish adam with anything, the devil did. you see the devil had no power over adam or eve, until they gave into the temptations produced by the devil. once they did that, they opened to door for satan to enter the earth. it all goes back to the free-will. and he did not know that adam would sin. God commanded adam and eve not to eat off the tree, but due to their free will, they did, and thus brougt upon themselves the first sin. sin is basically disobeying God, and doing what He has said not to do.
hell was not created for the soul purpose of adam sinnning, but God knew that sin was a very real thing, and he had to have a place for sinners to go if they chose not to listen to God. god did not punish adam with anything, the devil did. you see the devil had no power over adam or eve, until they gave into the temptations produced by the devil. once they did that, they opened to door for satan to enter the earth. it all goes back to the free-will. and he did not know that adam would sin. God commanded adam and eve not to eat off the tree, but due to their free will, they did, and thus brougt upon themselves the first sin. sin is basically disobeying God, and doing what He has said not to do. [/b][/quote] ok, I forgot about that. Now it makes some more sense. Still God made a little mistake having the devil as one of his angels though hmm, now I'm wondering, what if adam and eve didn't eat the fruit? what if man never disobeyed god? .. How did he wanted to manage the population of man? ok, you can make it a minimum, but still...way too much for this world..maybe..a growing earth or something? Anyway's I stop with this, cos first of all I am not religious and second, my thoughts are going way too far.. I don't think any sense will come out now. Beyond being able to make answers out of so knowing 'facts'.
If there is a good guy (God) there has to be a bad guy (devil). If there is a good place (heaven) there has to be a bad place (hell). Its just the way things are. Everything is balanced. The world is far from being the perfect place. If the world was perfect then it just wouldnt make sense. It be like the movie "The Truman Show" lol