Bush Targets Iran

You completely missed what I was getting at.

My point was NOT everyone thinks that Bush is an asshole. Obviously, there are a lot of people out there who like Bush. You can't judge the entire electorate of the U.S. on what some kids on a message board think. For one thing, the majority of the users here aren't of age to vote, and for another, we're a pretty narrow sampling anyway. The way it seems, we're a bunch of middle-class under-thirties, and that's not a realistic picture of what the population of the United States is.

Also, please understand that I am not just sitting on my ass and letting Bush lead us into this war. I've written many a letter to my congressman, and participated in many anti-war rallies. It's been said that you "cannot punish the many for the actions of the few", well, I think that works conversely, too: You cannot punish the few for the actions (or ignorance) of the many.

You're jumping to conclusions, and you're not looking any smarter because of it. [/b][/quote]
Actualy my life phrase is Don't jump to conclusions and I'm not,my point is that why have the american people (not all just the ones who voted for Bush) enpowered someone who will lead their country to hate because he keeps on declaring war on all these countries.

Looking smart is not what I'm trying to do,I'm just stating my point of view

 

Actualy my life phrase is Don't jump to conclusions and I'm not,my point is that why have the american people (not all just the ones who voted for Bush) enpowered someone who will lead their country to hate because he keeps on declaring war on all these countries.

Looking smart is not what I'm trying to do,I'm just stating my point of view [/b][/quote]
you cant look at american citizens as a whole, they are, in fact, different people with different opinions. the fact is that there are many republicans who voted for bush and that does not mean that everyone in america just let him be in power. more people voted for him and/or it was rigged. either way, your statement "why have the american people (not all just the ones who voted for Bush) enpowered someone who will lead their country to hate because he keeps on declaring war on all these countries." is irrelevant because there is nothing we can do about it as individuals.

 

Bush could easily put some Iraqis in Concentration Camps/Death Camps.

I figure if it happen in the Philippines in 1900 under McKinley, why not Bush eh?

I don't think that'll happen, but it's a possiblity.

 

I think Bush is making a good move on Iran. Iran has always been a threat, unlike Iraq (that war had half good reasons, like toppling Saddam, and half bad reasons, like the weapons of mass destructions, but the whole development of the war, the dead soldiers and civilians on both sides, the terrorists still roaming free there, etc... I guess the war overall was bad). Besides, the Iranies support the Shiite preachers that want to make an Islamic republic in Iraq, I'm not opposing to Islam or anything, it's just that a republic should be separated from a religion, and Islamics republics are usually fundamentallists. Besides, the Iranians do have nuclear power, and it should be regulated. And the next elections in Iran are been shaped up by the Shiite leaders so that they are still on power (again, I'm not against Islam). But what Bush is doing wrong is subestimating N. Korea. It could prove mortal. Also, this time he must get some approval from the UN, please. And if war does happen, it should be carried out properly. The war in Iraq is a clown show until now, and I think it should be ended, because the troops - and the country - can't do much more.

I know, you are going to say I'm a Bush lover, but I have clearer views. I come from the most violent region of the world, and, if it's not the poorest in the world, it has the biggest differences in the division of goods (75 percent of my country is poor--South American poor). I think both rightists and leftists have fucked my region in the front and in behind. The rightists, with their freedomlessness, and the leftists, with their dumbness hidden behind fake intelligence. And I have come with these views from all the years I spent in my country, since I was born prematurely in a cheap clinic (I've heard here before abortion prevents premature babies...it doesn't...it just gets rid of them...I'm premature...come get rid of me...) to the day I rode an airplane here.
The rightists have come to transform economies from dumbasses to kickasses, but they kick the asses of our rights too. The leftists are all happy talking, but in the end everyone is poor and miserable, because leftist economics are plain sad (that's how the Soviet Union died---people starved waiting for government bread in long lines...they got tired of it). The saddest thing is that the people from my region just keep kicking dudes out of office...the dudes in the office all fail...and suddenly there's people speaking some weird language called Spanish next door...at school...etc....

 

are you kidding me? you obviously know nothing about war. war kills innocent people, not just a few people, just in case you didnt know.

my dad and his family are from iran and they had everything taken away from them because of their religion (which is not, by the way, islam) when there was some dumbshit ruler there. no one deserves shit like that, then you want to go and bomb that place. people go on thinking, oh, there are terrorists, lets bomb that country. there are innocent people there, its better for them to move out like my dads family did rather than die from americans bombing the country. and nuclear power? yeah fucking right. thats exactly what bush said about iraq. did we find anything? no.

and honestly, whether or not iranian government is going to support iraq having an islamic republic, it doesnt affect you at all. theres absolutely no point it bombing it for support. if mexico decided they support bush's decision for a war and another country doesnt like it, does it make it right to bomb mexico? no. thats just idiotic.

p.s. its iranian, not iranies

 

So you're willing to force Western ideas upon another country by point of gun?

Just how many Islamic Republics do you know of?

You do realize that the majority of Iraq is made up of the Shiite's too, right?

Is there such thing as a "properly carried out" war?

 

That's exactly what my dad told me!
Roughly in his words:

"Dont' you think if it wasn't for the U.N or looking good that he would acctually do it if he had the chance?

He would definately do it, no doubt about it, there's so much need for power he would wipe out the whole middle east for oil and say it's a friggin "holy war against evil muslims"!

But he knows he can't or else he'd get into so much shit and more people would realise he's a bastard. It's not a matter of if he wants to because he does, be it's a matter of what he can do because he can't do that, it would look too bad and everyone would be on his back.

Hitler is only worse than Bush because he didn't have a "valid reason" to do it and he could do way worse because no one could question him."

Edit: My dad gives me loads of lectures about war so I really only know what he tells me (alot) or what I read about it (little).
I'm not tring to look smart, I know I look stupid because I only know what my dad tells me so correct me if he's/I'm wrong.

 

I wonder when it is exactly that a country decides that it should be the ruling force over the rest of the world. Case and point, here America is, thinking we're all high and mighty, and have the right to tell all the other countries of the world to not seek/have nuclear weapons etc. Meanwhile, we have a massive nuclear arsenal, are exploring missile defense systems and are busy invading arbitrary countries at whim.

Oh that's right, we can't let the terrorists have these weapons, who knows what they'll do with them. As if our actions of late speak highly for ourselves. I wouldn't trust the United States with a nuclear weapon right now more than I would trust North Korea. If we want to work against nuclear proliferation, we need to take a step back ourselves, not invade other countries for seeking the same technology we ourselves possess. That's just asinine.

 

Well Said!

 

Brilliant point.

 

Wow, some deep stuff that you wouldn't find on most political boards

But really, this is how it is, although it is much more money-driven than was Hitler who was almost solely religious fanaticism. I think that he believes in the two and he'll get a lot of supporters from that. I think the war in Iraq has really galvanized the religious right in America.