Second Presidential Debate

Discuss. I'll post my take on the debate tomorrow.

 

Ok, I can understand Bush's chuckles and smiles...but I cannot understand his winking.

Kerry did better overall, but I think he was much, much stronger in the beginning than towards the end.

 

god, everytime bush opened his mouth, the more i hated him more. he sees everything in black and white. like what kerry said about the abortion issue, its not as simple as bush thinks, theres other factors in there like rape, age, and how it would hurt a womans body. i dont think i agreed with anything bush said. i only saw the ending (from the abortion part and on) so i dont know if bush called him a "flip flopper" like he usually does, but that really annoys me. first of all, people are allowed to change their minds, second, if hes going to call him on something, he could at least sound somewhat itellectual (if thats possible) and say hes contradicting, but of course, he has the mental capacity of a five year old. i cant think of anything else to say at this moment.

EDIT: oh, and for the people who say bush is a better president because he doesnt change his mind, it doesnt mean thats a good thing. there was this quote by some guy, i dont remember it exactly, but it was something like, "even though bush sticks to his guns, his aim is way off" and i completely agree. i would rather see the u.s. have a president that is open-minded and would listen to others opinions rather than have one who is completely ignorant and wont change their mind under any circumstance, and would even have the nerve to take it to an extreme (like war in iraq, banning abortion, and making gay marriages unconstitutional). its just ridiculous. i dont see how anyone could support someone like that.

 

Bush simply got more outlandish with his statements in this debate. He didn't have anymore information, in fact I think he used less. This time he just blatantly made stuff up. I think I heard him say something about us using the support of major world powers including France, Germany etc... did I miss something? When the hell were we working with them? Last I heard our grand 'coalition of the willing' was made up of Morraccans and what not. As far as I can tell Bush was just pulling stuff out of his ass.

That and, as Pyro said, Bush would like us to believe we live in a Black and White world. Terrorists bad, Americans good; Abortion wrong, Tax cuts for wealthy good. Sorry, but last I checked this wasn't the case, it ain't that easy. If it were, it'd make my philosophy papers a hell of a lot easier to write . Bush completely ignored Kerry's comments on this and pressed blindly forward as he ever does.

EDIT: Oh and I was REALLY happy Kerry gave a site address to view his plans that he keeps referring to. Reassures the people he's not making empty promises as Bush does.

 

Both parties used the same words they used at the last debate. I agree with the discussion after the debate that George Bush was much stronger during this debate, but he was still on the defensive side.

Kerry made the perfect remark that I was looking for in the question about abortion; you don't need parential agreement if, for example, a daugher is raped by her father.

Bush lost a few points when the man said that the patriot act watered down his rights but Bush said it didn't. What the hell? You don't go out and contradict a citizen making a legitimate complaint. That probably swung or strengthened that man's vote, depending on whether he was for Bush or Kerry.

Another thing: Yeah, everything isn't just black and white. You need to have some common sense to be head of state, which Bush doesn't seem to have. I don't agree with Bush's black and white principles anyway...

I couldn't really say who won this debate, but it strengthened my respect of Kerry for being more honest and for some of his opinions.

 

When Bush is up there, he expresses empty thoughts. When Kerry says something, Bush calls him a liar. Bush's only basis for expression is to reverse what Kerry says. Looks like Bush's speech writers can't help him now.

 

According to the polls: John Kerry won yet again.

 

I agree. I'm gonna use that quote in my debate paper, if you dont mind.

 

Some of the things Bush said in the debate were completely tactless. And what is the deal with the supposed timber company? Does Bush own one or not? "Do you want some wood?"

I realized while watching this that while I don't always agree with Kerry, I'm still voting for him. This is because he at least has an idea of what to do, Bush is just gonna keep doing what he's doing. This was made very clear by the woman who asked Bush if he thought he'd made any bad decisions. Bush said NO.

I think that says a lot.

 

Yah i thought the debate was fairly even this time. Kerry made a few points that were great and really shot down Bush. But then he tried to make some kind of points that he really put his foot in his mouth, like trying to say that Bush owned a lumber mill or company. On the flip side Bush was able to stand his ground in this debate better than i had thought he would. But still Bush kinda constantly kept shooting him self in the foot and somehow found a way to relate everythnig to the situation in Iraq or defending the country against "terrorists."

I basically just tought that Kerry should have been able to kill Bush in this debate, but i thought Bush held his own well enough to not give Kerry a blatant victory.

 

As I was watching the debate, I noticed that Bush was trying to make wisecracks every chance he got, and was consistant in calling Kerry a liar after everything he said. So, what, exactly, does that mean? I'll tell you what it means: It means that Bush finally has no base for any arguments that he's ever going to make in the future, and his speech writers have, probably, all been fired.

I have absolutely no idea how anyone can support President Bush. Derek claims that I supported him once, but I don't ever remember supporting anything that he ever did, other than that once-upon-a-time where he was attempting and making a valid effort to try to capture Usama bin Laden, which he eventually gave up on anyway since he saw that he'd never be able to do it.

Congress gave Bush permission to go into Iraq when everyone thought that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. Bush never even let the UN inspectors finish their jobs before he went in. Bush also blatantly ignored the requests of the UNITED NATIONS and went into Iraq, where he found absolutely no weapons of mass destruction. As Kerry said, the permission by Congress to go into Iraq was to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, not start a war that's made almost every nation in the UN hate us.

One thing I hate is the fact that Bush keeps bringing up the fact that Kerry voted against the $87 billion bill. Is that the only thing Bush has left? To attack the Senator like that? The FIRST $87 billion bill used all $87 billion on armor and weapons and things like that. The SECOND $87 billion bill, which is the one Kerry voted against, gave a good portion of that money to Halliburton. Kerry had EVERY RIGHT to vote against that one since it was wrong.

Overall, I felt that Bush did poorly in this debate, as well. He was very smartassed in most of his replies and none of his wisecracks made any sense. I don't want a President who's going to act like a jackass like that in the most important debates in his entire life. I feel that Kerry sufficiently owned Bush.

 

He didn't want to capture Osama. That would p*ss off the Saudi's and we all know "Dubya" wouldn't wanna do that.

That's sort of correct. If you got that information from my one post I wanna make sure it's completly correct: the "second" $87 billion bill had $20 billion of it going to the reconstruction of Iraq. And we all know how the Bush Administration handles that - They give it to Halliburton - Halliburton overcharges - Halliburton keeps extra money - Halliburton pays Cheney for helping them out. So "give $20 billion to Halliburton" wasn't written in the bill(obviously) but it's common sense that the $20 billion would have gone to Halliburton for the reconstruction of Iraq.

Also if it would have been a close vote to pass the bill Kerry and Edwards never would have voted against it. It was obvious no one on the senate was going to vote against supplying the troops with protective armor and ammunition so Kerry and Edwards took their 2 meaningless votes and used them as a type of protest. I just wish Kerry would explain that on national TV. Not many people know that's why he voted against it. All most of America knows is that John Kerry voted against a bill to supply our troops armor and obviously that doesn't sound too good. If he'd take 2 minutes or 90 seconds to explain that I think it would really help him and allow people to understand.

 

Yeah, I just skipped around the facts and said it was going to Halliburton because that's where it would've gone anyway.

 

I don't see how anyone who plans on voting for Bush is not embarassed in some way by how childish he is acting. He is doing what he wants and refuses to take into consideration of what anyone else says - no matter how intelligient or what points they make.

If Kerry wins and we stay in the same position, Bush is going to dread it. Only then will he realize what he has done and that he is not the number one priority for safety anymore.

 

This is kind of random but you know before and after the debate when Kerry and Bush are shaking hands and everything - What do you think they're talking about? Like, what would you say to someone who's out there everyday campaigning against you and in some cases dis-honoring your service in a war and basically calling you a p*ssy because you didn't bleed enough. (bet you can't guess who that is!)

George Bush: "Howdy therre ya p*ssy. Your plan sucks. I don't know why but that's what Cheney told me to say."

John Kerry: "God, i'm soo gonna kick your ass in this debate."

That's my guess. B)

 

Kerry: Wanna go back to my place and watch Farhenheit 9/11?
Bush: Ain't that the anti-me documentary?
Kerry: Indeed it is, Mr. President.
Bush: I'll bring the popcorn!