Meteora Versus and Riffs on Next Album

I'm kinda looking forward to a heavier album. Meteora is so soft compared to HT. HTEP rules, though. :rawk:

 

Yeah, Casey was being sarcastic.
Yeah, Chester said Gilmore is good.
No, Gilmore is not good.

He waters down everything Linkin Park does. The lyrics on Hybrid Theory we're next to amazing. Untouched by Gilmore, if not untouched than Mike and Chester said no to rewriting them. Gilmore made LP make their lyrics relatable to teenagers for money. He's not a good producer, Chester was probably forced against his will to say Gilmore is a good producer.

Now, the top 10 things the new album needs:
1. SOLOS. I-WANT-SOLOS. Guitar solos, bass solos, drum solos, I don't care, just give me solos.

2. More aggressive rapping from Mike.

3. More singing from Mike. We all know from LIT that Mike is a good singer.

4. Heavier and more aggressive singing/screaming by Chester.

5. More songs. 12 songs isn't enough, let's try 13-15. (Not including a "intro" "outro" or "instrumental". Those can be for LPUers.)

6. Heavier guitar riffs.

7. More complex guitar structures.

8. More complex bass structures.

9. Deeper lyrics. They need to stop trying to relate to us as much. They try to hard, I want lyrics that I heard Chester was writing. The 'dark' lyrics. Same thing from Mike.

10. More choreographed dancing by the band in matching costumes.














10. Longer songs. 2-3 minutes isn't long enough. I think the average Linkin Park song is like 3:32. Let's try to boost that to like 4:30 or more, I would be happy with a few 6 minute songs.

 

eh, maybe it's just me, but I don't think every single song on Hybrid Theory was that great. Yeah, I can listen to the whole CD without skipping a track, but it doesn't mean that every track is good.

I guess what I'm saying is that Hybrid Theory isn't the best record out there. That honor goes to the EP, IMO.

 

Gilmore did work on Hybrid Theory. Not the EP, which had better music than all of their cd's IMO.

 

when you say flawless, do you mean in terms of producing, or lyrics and music?

I agree with both there. Even if The Don is a controlling kind of producer, that CD sounded so rich & smooth it was unbelievable.

I think The Don didn't care on Hybrid Theory because Warner Bros. was taking a shot in the dark with LP. But when they sold 13 Million records, you better believe The Don made them adapt the same style to sell that many records over again, so The Don could make more $$$.

I believe if Hybrid Theory wouldn't have sold as many copies as it did, we'd be fans of a completely different Linkin Park. If that's a good or bad thing, who knows.

Oh yeah, sophomore albums are usually a bust. There are a few times when bands break that mold (ie: Limpbizkit, Korn), but I don't think LP did in terms of evolution. It was a commerical success, yeah, but it was a personal letdown for a TON of LP fans, IMO.

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Thats why I said

At least said no to rewriting them for him, maybe for themselves.

I wouldn't go as far to say HT was flawless, of course there we're things they could have done to make it better. But it was the greatest album of 200 IMO.

(Sorry, everyone else was using IMO, I had to too.)

 

Ah! I was reading this whole thread and FINALLY someone said it! People say "He produced HT and IT was good!" but like most producers they'll either control you too much or give you more freedom because it's your first album. I think Gilmore went in there like "Let's see what these kids can do" and let them go. They already had a lot of the HT demos already written. Runaway is a VERY old song that was redone. After Reanimation didn't do so well I think he took some control back after letting Mike do his thing. You all saw how varied Reanimation was and how NOT varied Meteora is (only 3 stand out songs to me). I think Gilmore = bad. Good for the first CD but try to be different every album. If the HT demos were at a finished track's quality I'd listen to those over the real tracks any day. And I don't care what anyone says about BTH, My December is still a better song to me. You don't need lavish production to make a good song.

Me:I think a band should come different on every album. That's why I think Meteora is "ok". It's a HT copy. The reuse song structures and crap.
My Friend: Almost every band reuses song structures! I mean-
Me: That's why every band isn't the best. (my opinion)

Go listen to some NIN. That's variation. I think their instrumentals whoop LPs any day.

 

Do you like everything Linkin Park puts out? Yes, according to that statement. Unless you want to retract it and be a hypocrite.

I rest my case. [/b][/quote]
how is that moronic dude thats all im wondering

 

how is that moronic dude thats all im wondering [/b][/quote]
It's moronic to state that everything Linkin Park will do is awesome, including stuff you've never heard. Think about it next time, thinking = less moronesy. (Yes, that is a word.)

 

wutever dude

 

I think it's very unlikely that LP will use stuff from Meteora, however they did use years old material for HT (eg. Stick n Move)

 

see the thing is popular styles in music change so wutever they didnt use could sound could to people now

 

Maybe people don't want popular music, dude, maybe people want unpopular music to be popular, dude. .. .. .. ..


*cough*

/extreme sarcasm


I won't doubt that they will, but I won't doubt they won't. To tell you the complete truth, I couldn't care less. What I care about is that this next album better be ... better, or they will be losing quite a bit of fans.

 

this whole don gilemore thing is not going to be solved. no one has given a fact. its as simple as that. "the ep has better songs than ht or meteora" is not a fact, its an opinion. and a lot of people have to stop making generalizations. saying that meteora and ht were letdowns for the hardcore fans is not true. you can say it was a let down for you, being a hardcore fan, but you cant say that it was a letdown for everyone else.

i, personally, do not think don gilemore is a bad producer. i dont think he will be lp's producer for the next album, but i think he is a pretty good one. i dont think mike will be a producer either, so dont get your hopes up. lp is gonna go in a more breaking the habit-esque album for their third one, so don gilemore wont fit the mold. but we'll see.

on the topic that this thread started, my answer is no. they wont use previous riffs. they'll come up with new ones, b/c i really do think they might go in a bit of a different direction for the third album. lp's not stupid, they know the same formula wont work 3 albums in a row.

 

Actually, people did give facts. Hybrid Theory was awesome. It was proven when they sold 50,000 copies of it in 2000. HT was the best album of 2000, and stayed on the charts for a long while, I wouldn't doubt it's still on the top 50, but I don't pay attention to all that sh(i)t.

No one said Hybrid Theory was a let down, no body definately said HTEP was a letdown. Meteora was a let down. It was a major let down because of the lyrics. They we're more generic and bland then grocery store named bread. Figure.09 is a complete rip, and total failure to copy Step Up, an awesome song by Mike. Breaking the Habit is the only good thing that came from Meteora. Meteora was only good in the beginning because of all the hype. Yeah, we all liked it for the first 2 weeks, then we threw it down and popped in a HT for 2 months.

And Don Gilmore is not a good producer. Fvck. Don Gilmore is a bad producer for the fact that he made Mike, Chester, and Pheonix (the 3 whom I believe write the lyrics) rewrite so many songs, not to mention the 90+ times he made them rewrite Somewhere I Belong. Oops, I mentioned it. The lyrics we're probably around as good as the lyrics on Hybrid Theory.

And what was with the whole Intro thing? Was that not the lamest attempt to try and add some more time to an album? Wow...the album was 5 minutes long this time, that beats the 4:45 that it was last time!

Yes there is fact in what we have said.

And if I knew what esque meant, I'd argure with you about that also. Actually, I'll be back in 5, I'll goto dictionary.com!

Ahh, ok, I'm back. Well if you mean resemble Breaking The Habit as in the whole new album is going to be softer, and your saying that because Brad or whoever said they we're going to like try and copy that sound, your wrong. Whoever said that meant lyrical wise. BTH still wasn't that deep of a song, but it was deeper than anything else they've written.

 

I can name like 10 Deftones songs that are heavier than anything of Linkin Park. You should check out Poison the well or Opeth

Let me just say this:

HT > Meteora

I don't care about the song structures, i just care about the lyrics and different variations in the singing (Weakness of Linkin Park). Figure.09 is the best song on Meteora, and in no way sounds like Step Up. Don Gilmore, however, needs to go. They should hire Terry Date