Why doesnt Linkin Park have guitar solos?

I believe Marilyn Manson has a great persona. Aside from his music, he's a great painter and he's intellegent beyond a normal person.

Most may find him weird, but I find him to be a great person. I personally think that Manson's 'persona' would fit LP. I mean, I, unlike others, liked the Buy Myself remix that Manson did of the original By Myself, and it was that type of 'darkness' I was hoping LP was going for in Meteora.

And like someone said, why does it matter how they look? Music and image are two different things. You can't justify a band on their looks. Well, you can, but that's being really shallow.

 

Keaton, I too, liked the Buy Myself remix. I fell in love with it. It'd be cool if Linkin Park's next album would be something like that. But its Linkin Park's choice. They do what they want. Either way, I think their music will still be good.

 

Do you think they really do what they want or just want there fans expect and what will sell more albums ? I don think so.

 

i dont believe in such a class,...the lyrics,"...devil devil b*tch b*tch devil devil this is the new sh#t,..."wtf is this about? i like the music i really do but come on...be honest
ok maybe it has to do with your taste,..but really if he wasnt famous for his outlook he would not even been letted through the first round of american idol....
what is he?or she?or it?ok image is not important but what about his voice "such a called class" is not to be compared with Linkin Park's Class.
in the end i respect your taste but still dont understand how you like him...

 

i like that remix too
but the voice is great and the lyric is the same

 

That first sentence was TOTALLY lame, stop acting like a superior know-at-all

Now to your points. You say people are tired of listening to 'overblown, pretentious experimental bands'. Actually, the OPPOSITE trend is happening. People are listening to more formulaic music now. And isn't experimenting the ######'' reason to make music? Its an ART, not a business....And you didn't actually answer the question of the thread, do you like guitar solos? Nope, you came here to show us how much smarter you are than everyone else. No respect to anyones opinions, nothing...

And its their music that matters, not their image. So how about you and your 'boy bands' hitch off to another message board to whine. :wth: [/b][/quote]
You see? At this point, the conversation could have gone into quite an interesting direction: how much influence do record labels have over their acts? How much freedom do popular bands really have to experiment? If selling less records means getting dropped by the label and not being able to communicate music any more, how 'commercial' is 'too commercial'? Being honest, have you ever been into a band as much for their image as their music? Not even NIN/Evanescence/MM? Given how many bands have used them, can guitar solos ever be innovative again?...

But it's this, is it? One personal attack, batted back light-heartedly, degenerates into a nasty unproductive flamewar in which the perpetrators would do well to take their own comments to heart.

To the poster who hates Marilyn Manson, I would wholeheartedly recommend the 'Lost Highway' soundtrack which features Manson's staggering cover of 'I Put A Spell On You'.

To the rest of you, goodbye.

 

What the hell? Are you the Messiah giving us guidance in this grave hour? If you want a discussion, that's all you have to say. Its just that you came across as a real jerk. Sure, I love discussion, but one that keeps everyones opinions in consideration. You sound like yours is the only one that matters.

Record labels are a business, they want to get as many albums sold as possible. Since that is the focus, they will try to create a 'formula for success' which will maximize profits. So yeah record companies have way to much influence. So, popular bands have little or NO room to experiment. I don't see what you meant about everyone 'using' guitar solos....everyone uses guitar riffs (or whatever you want to call them), everyone uses vocals as the lead 'instrument', so why would 'using' guitar solos be any different? Guitar solos have great feeling and emotion, they are an essence and soul that rock and roll has formed on. It also creates great interest and lengthens songs.

So, I hope you continue the 'debate'

 

Marilyn Manson is regarded as the anti-Christ but I'm pretty sure he's not. I read somewhere that he went to a Satanic church or something, but I don't know how much validity that has.

 

Marilyn Manson, as far as I know, does not worship the devil.

"Babble babble b*tch b*tch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex sex and don't forget the "violence"
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your STUPID SLOGAN in:
Everybody sing along."

Nothing about the devil. In his interviews I've seen he's said he isn't not the anti-christ everyone protrays him to be. Whether he's religious or not, I don't know. Maybe he's said differently in other interviews. But that's just off-topic.

And don't double post.

And it doesn't seem like you really answered his questions, jst, all you did was ask more. Do you like guitar solos and if not, why? Isn't experimenting the reason to making music? [/b][/quote]
Mark

I just popped in so as not to leave on a sour note. I did take notice of a previous post, which left me thinking. You asked a direct question, so I'll answer:

Yes, I like guitar solos, but I don't expect them from Linkin Park. I'm basically in the same position as the straight guy who wanders into a gay bar and says, "What? None of you guys digs chicks?"

Rephrase that as, "What? None of you are wrinkly cantankerous old codgers who used to listen to really heavy, extreme music but now likes Linkin Park because it's actually enjoyable to listen to? No? I'll get my coat."

Every decade or so there seems to be an album that really reaches out on an emotional level and is the angst anthem for that generation. For me, it was The Wall by Pink Floyd, which has arguably the best guitar solos of all time. For teenagers in the 90s, it was The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails. Now, I guess, it's Meteora. Looking at other posts, it's clear that a lot of people find an emotional connection with the album, that it acts like a soundtrack to people's thoughts. It doesn't work that way for me, and neither did The Downward Spiral, because I had already made that connection with The Wall, over a decade before.

I spent a good ten years listening to music purely on the basis of how "experimental" it is, but I found that the further down the road you go - i.e. when you end up listening to some Ukranian techno-metal-noise band that only sold nine copies of their last album - the less of an emotional connection I made with the music, and that eventually the bands were making music purely for experimentations' sake. I began to feel that that wasn't a good enough reason to listen to music - that its primary purpose - like all art - was to reflect and manipulate mood and emotion. I got to a point where, though a lot of chart music was too bland and unchallenging, the alternative was so challenging that it ceased to be enjoyable and just started to feel like a chore.

For a wonderful, brief time, music in the charts started to improve. I found albums by Madonna (Ray of Light) and Sophie Ellis Bextor (Read My Lips) to have that perfect balance of innovation and enjoyment that was lacking from the more extreme forms of rock and electronic music. I found that same magic combination in Linkin Park.

I certainly didn't mean to offend anyone here, but the fact remains, I AM older, and seem to be quite alone in that fact. I have wandered into the wrong bar, that's all, and I'm just downing my pint before leaving. If anyone knows of a people-who-do-the-gardening-to-Linkin-Park chat board, do let me know...

 

Just because your older (and seem to like to flaunt it here) does NOT mean you know everything there is to know about music. You call LP a "boy band" which theyre obviously not, so that shows some obvious flaw in your logic. And just because they dont have guitar solos, does not mean they arent worth it. When Hybrid Theory came out, it sold more copies in that year than "boy bands" N'sync and Backstreet Boys, even Britney Spears. So does that show that LP need guitar solos? Obviously not.

 

Who the f*ck cares if you're older? No one gives a sh*t and that has no validity with this argument. A sh*tload of young people at my school listen to Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin and other bands like that. Just because you're older than us doesn't mean jack sh*t, so stop acting like you're on a higher bar than us.

 

Exactly. My dad's older than me and I know more about music then he does. Dont flaunt your age, cause no one cares.

 

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So, in closing, Manson is an 'honorary' reverend at the Church of Satan. Don't get this confused though. LaVey is the kind of satanic person that worships Satan. There are two types of Satanists.

 

Since we're still speaking of Manson, I doubt any have heard The Golden Age of Groutesque. If you have, you'd feel like I do. I got into Manson heavily with Holywood, and with TGAOG, he takes a completely new direction with lyrics. His lyrics are now more uh... sexual and full of lustful thoughts. Maybe he's just horny, who cares.

But on another note, I don't think age matters. Hell, the guy posting who seems to be older than us assumed Meteora was the album of the decade. I believe Hybrid Theory was more out-reaching than Meteora was. But hey, what do I know, right? I'm just a silly ol' teen who thinks he knows music .

 

Manson has changed on just about every CD he's put out. Listen to Potrait of an American Family and then go listen to Mechnical Animals. Totally different.

About Golden Age Of Grotesque, it's really a concept album if you think about it. It's the Golden Age he's talking about in the title, and it was mainly just sex and stuff like that.

Besides, have you seen Manson's girlfriend? Jesus Christ! I'd be horny too if I was dating her.

 

Manson has changed on just about every CD he's put out. Listen to Potrait of an American Family and then go listen to Mechnical Animals. Totally different.

About Golden Age Of Grotesque, it's really a concept album if you think about it. It's the Golden Age he's talking about in the title, and it was mainly just sex and stuff like that.

Besides, have you seen Manson's girlfriend? Jesus Christ! I'd be horny too if I was dating her. [/b][/quote]


Yeah, I've heard some of his older stuff and with each album, he changes. But the greatness about him is that he didn't continue to anti-God in the new album, where he could have if he wanted.

Yeah and he's dating some playboy model or something now.

 

it's not so much that he's anti god that he is pro-thinking for yourself.



Dita Von Teese is a pornstar model, btw.