Refugees

I don't know if anyone is aware of the Australian situation with asylum seekers at the moment, but we're getting more boat people being crammed into detention centres every day. And then we have some who decide to sue the tax payers for stuff they did to themselves (a guy won a compensation pay out of $800,000 for "psychological distress" after being separated from his wife and children and thus resulting in the sewing together of his lips). On top of that, they don't want to work they don't want to earn their stay and we, the taxpayers are expected to fork out money to support the people who are currently rioting against us.

I know the Americans have the a similar problems with illegal immigrants being smuggled in from the South, whether or not they should be allowed to stay despite not having a social security number/not paying taxes.

I would like to know everyone's opinions and their country's versions of refugees as I do not doubt we are not alone in this boat people saga.

 

I thought this was gonna be about getting Wyclef, Pras, and Ms. Hill back together :/

But foreal, don't want no immigrants in here. We're already a melting pot, don't need more people in here (America), because so many tag along illegally. At least keep the border safe, and keep the hajis outta here. Too many people bein politically correct.

 

Refugees and what you're talking about, asylum seekers, or asylees, are two subtly different things.

Asylees apply to enter the country at the port of entry, whereas refugees apply to go to the country from outside the country. I know in the US, there's a ceiling for the number of refugees the country can take in a year. Check if that's true with Australia, because I can't be damned to know.

Knowing this, you're going to have to specify whether the man who sued the government was admitted as a refugee or asylee. The difference means a lot in this case. Say the family went to Australia and applied for asylum. If the port authority granted asylum to the husband and denied entry to the family, the suing is absolutely just, considering in theory that there should be no limit to those who can be granted asylee status.

If the man was truly a refugee, that means he and his family applied for entry into Australia outside the country. From here, we'd need information as to where the man was coming from, the persecution involved (all asylees and refugees must be, to be considered as such, suffering from persecution due to creed, race, political opinions, etc.), and how much of a threat the family's life is in.

Say they applied for refugee status with Australia from inside North Korea. Only the husband was accepted and brought to Australia. The fact that the government didn't bring the wife and kids is a horrible wrong on their part, as logic states that families should be a priority for refugee status rather than individuals. Especially considering the family of refugees are often killed if left behind. The decision to sue Australia is in the right here.

As someone who comes from a family of refugees, I can understand the idea of psychological duress if not by firsthand account, but as a secondary. My father's side of the family was largely left behind in Cambodia during the fall of the Khmer Rouge. We don't know if my fraternal grandparents are alive or dead. Psychological duress is a reality that we all feel when it comes to leaving a country of persecution.

The difference between immigrants, legal or illegal, is quite a bit different compared to refugees and asylees. But I'll get into that in another post.

EDIT: ThaHandyman, that's pretty blatantly racist and ultra-conservative. You know, unless you're a Native American, you can't really say shit about immigrants.

 

You do say some awful things sometimes. Either way it doesn't come down to political correctness or people being "hajis", or at least it shouldn't.

 

It's kind of silly hard to take a hard line against immigrants if you're American, because chances are you have some filthy immigrants in your lineage.

 

I am Native American Cherokee FTW. Agreed, I don't think refugees and immigrants are quite the same. And that's not racsism, thats just security. I've got mexican friends, I worked with illegal immigrants before, fun times! But the bottom line is, it's not good for the economy or born Americans at all.

As for Arabs, forgive my lingo earlier, a lot of my friends are in the armed forces. And you can call me racist all day, I don't want people who are known to kill Americans in my country one way or another, thats just common sense. I had an Irani friend since 1st grade, he was cool, but then again he wasn't muslim. My mom is a teacher, and taught a sweet young boy who hadn't been to his homeland in awhile. He left for 6 months back to I beleive Iraq (mighta been Iran), came back to school in the states, and was completely brainwashed I hate American Christians rahrahrah.

 

I don't think it should be about ethnicity or culture or heritage. It should just be about whether or not people have grounds to be there and if they can be accomodated, if people go to live in another country and contribute that probably beats people who are have more roots there and don't. And if it's about their safety it's hard to just send them away even if you can't let them in.

 

"He was cool, but then again he wasn't Muslim."

So now we're judging people based on religion? Not very American now, eh?

And we don't want people who are known to kill Americans?

Guess we should deport all white people for killing Native Americans.

Guess we should deport the Vietnamese since they killed American soldiers.

And the Japanese. World War II.

And Germans. World War II.

And Russians. Also World War II.

All Americans. Civil War anyone?

Mexican-American War? Leave the country.

And Cambodians.

Be right back, leaving the country.

 

Christians who say that only Muslims commit terrorist attacks always seem to forget The Crusades.

 

And this doesn't go for burritos only, but for shitload of other things Americans take for granted.

 

Dude was a neo nazi, that's hardly Christianity by the Bible. And yes, Minus, white men screwed everyone, I didn't say there was an answer, just stating 1 of many problems. If we tighten border control, its racist against Mexicans, which sucks. If you profile middle easterners, thats racist, which sucks. Nothing is fair, but I was simply stating my position on the matter, without being restrained by the widespread internet political correctness that must be maintained, lest someone *gasp* be offended.

 

But would you do that full time for 3 bucks per hour?

 

The strain that illegal immigrants put on our economy is exaggerated. Out economy is consumer driven, and no social class consumes more than working class folks, which most immigrants are. Don't think they're paying their fair share? Give them an easier path to citizenship. Help them help us.

Stop listening to xenophobic bullshit. If people spent half as much time railing against the corporate executives and bankers that are draining this country dry as they do on Mexicans, maybe things would actually improve.

 

Agreed, but the bankers and corporate executives own companies that own companies that are our media, so this side of the problem is, unfortunately, left to something like say, an internet forum.

 

Well 3 buck per hour might be peanuts for you, but for someone who comes from a poor country where they had nothing, it's a fortune. And they can't find a better job because they're not there legally.

From what I've seen in America, I seriously don't know why anyone would complain about illegal immigrants. They're doing the jobs that most of the Americans doesn't feel like doing, plus you don't have to pay them a lot to mow your lawn or get your order at a fast food restaurant.

I mean, if it wasn't for the mutual benefit, do you really think a country like the USA wouldn't find a way to regulate that issue just like they regulated almost everything else?

 

ThaHandyman: So based on your previous logic, I'd like to ask you a question.

My home country was run by a Communist dictator supported by the US. This Government SUPPORTED what basically amounts to genocide of my people. This was supported by the United States. In fact, the US helped kill almost half a million of my people from 1969-1975.

My father was a part of the rebel air force trying to overthrow Pol Pot, the dictator running my country. In essence, my dad was fighting for his future family's (myself included) freedom from tyranny. He in all likelihood killed American soldiers for this cause.

Based on your statement "I don't want people who are known to kill Americans in my country one way or another, thats just common sense," should I even be in this country right now, considering America was the one who wronged MY PEOPLE, but my father took part in killing Americans for my right to LIVE?