What does the damn LPA-T-Shirt have to do with the new LP?

I've been accused many times here of not really wanting a discussion, taking everybody as fanboys who contradict me and so on. When I finally made a post emphasizing the good side of ATS in my opinion, I was accused of preteding innocence and nobody was still able to see the connection with the T-Shirt I tried to draw.

I'm willing to try again and choose my words more carefully for I am still convinced it actually made sense what I said but I'm honestly sorry for the ones who felt insulted by my posts and responses. It was not my intention to insult anybody, however I won't ignore that there also exist igorant LP-fans and that at least some of them linger around here. As my topic touches them, I won't stop short of mentioning them.

First of all, I don't think the LPA T-Shirt (Try the Ketchup, motherfucker!) is part of any campaign. And I don't know of course what the particular reasons of LPA were to produce it. I don't consider anything but the fun of the joke, seriously. But what I think, is, that it expresses something, maybe uninteded, the 'new LP' has something to do with.

My last bigger post was this:

Having heard ATS for five months now I cannot quite believe, LP is so musically independent from WB like they emphasize to be on ATS for the first time. My quote already explains what I think seems me what really happened. And concerning a correction from somebody in my other thread, apparently Mike said "Try to catch up, motherfucker!" directed to WB and everybody who tried to put them into their predesigned cake-pan and not to any fan.
Still this makes no difference to my conclusion. Before MTM LP always emphasized their 'Hybrid Theory'-Style, a fuse of different directions and so on which I think was only authentic before HT and HT itself also still a little. When MTM came out I remember Chester saying how they got somehow stuck up in there. Annoyingly to me, they didn't really made I big deal out of the fact WB made them to stick somewhere, although I don't think it wasn't obvious for them at that point which makes them dishonest. But now they admit in public, they were pressed to do what they did and also claim ATS to be free of it.
The thing is that I dont think thats true. My impression is they pretend an independence that they could establish only half way. My intuition tells me, they got it 50%-90%, varying from song to song but thats just my intuition, nothing I insist on.

If this is true LP is also beeing dishonest this time around. Maybe they wanted to be 100% independent in the first place but as they couldn't make it they still emphasize it a the novelty of ATS. A novelty of ATS definitely is a lot more independance than before but to tell WB to catch up in front of the fans but in fact not having been able to stop completely bowing to their will voluntarily - I think this is pretty lame.
I could understand them saying this as a young band using the adaption to mainstream as a ladder to success but LP is a big player already.

Thats why I'm saying LP is selling false independance. The joke with the ketchup is funny superficially but lame in depth.
But I am NOT saying, LPA was somehow entangled with that.

Now about the ignorant fans: I this case my impression is many fans feel better about themselves because they think they listen to independent music and are not getting tired replicating what LP is telling about their new independence and confusing new and experimental music with musical quality or originality.

 

--RS

 

Elaborate a bit more on why you think they're still bowing to pressure from Warner, and I'll tell you whether or not I agree.

 

As a matter of coincidence I just finished reading your last thread before this, so I'm sure to tell I'm no ignorant LP-fan and you can count me on it.

About the ketchup thing, I undoubtedly believe it was made solely as a joke and nothing else apart from the words sound-alike.
I could make another shirt titled 'I've become so dumb I can't kill you there' and have nothing whatsoever to do with the song, the fans' attitude and mostly, the band themselves.

Something came to my mind and I'm gonna talk about it briefly.
Imagine you're a writer and you've just finished a storybook, about to publish, would it be true that you're absolutely not hyped about it gonna be read by fans and many other people? Would you simply answer 'Well I'm not gonna say anything about it, shut up, listen, and see it for yourself' in interviews when they ask of what the story's about or how the process goes? It's as if winning a medal and not telling anybody about it, it's something you can't resist.
And as a matter of fact, you surely wouldn't bash your own thing and say something like 'Hey this is the same as the last one, nothing much have changed and I've used the same ideas' right?

Forgive me if I've mistaken but is it that you find ATS not musically different enough than the past records, leading to your doubt on their honesty about saying 'a big step forward'? If so then I must tell you that creativity needs growing, the guys simply couldn't stop one day and say 'hey let's make something different' and then boom out making space music, they still stick to all the musical influence they grew up with.
And in fact, their major aim was to make something they like, and that doesn't necessarily mean something which is totally different.
I recall you asking why didn't they leave Warner when they wanna change. I bet the biggest reason is the contract they signed with WB, of how many records has to be produced under the label name.

Felt like typing too much so I'll just leave it here for now, I do look forward to your response.

PS: The biggest (or only) affect by WB on MTM was What I've Done, the label needed LP to make radio-friendly single.
And somehow I wanna advice you to watch the Meeting of A Thousand Suns again, especially towards the end part.

 

Dude, get off your freaking high horse. It's hard to take you seriously when you come in here and insist to insult LP and by association, the rest of us. Go back to whatever cave you dug yourself from. Believe what you want to believe, but stop trying to pretend like your words are the omega truth and are reality based. You contradict yourself and end up sounding like the very fans you insult.

 

Im not going to bother to read this thread because it will be full of shit and LIES!!!

 

He hasn't really insulted them anywhere, and if someone insults a band you like they aren't insulting you by association. I don't think he's acting like his words are "the omega truth" either, whatever that means. He's said sorry and it seems like he's making an effort to discuss it civilly this time, so give him a chance.

See, the whole reason I've called him out previously is for the sake of people who are actually willing to have a proper discussion instead of bumming off everything the band do. If you still don't have any time for him now he's actually trying, don't bother saying anything otherwise you're just vindicating him.

 

At this point when it comes to ATS and your opinion on it, seeing as it isn't changing anyone's opinion on them liking A Thousand Suns

 

This thread is a waste alright... not because of os neutral, though.