Refugees

Wait, when did that happen?

 

Perhaps I should have clarified *innocent Americans*. America is not always right, the government is by no means always right. The past is the past, and I'm glad your here, apart from say, a few "Empty Spaces" posts

 

Wow, good catch. I must've had a TimeSpree-sized brainfart there. I meant Italians.

EDIT: ThaHandyman - So the Armed Forces of the US are not considered innocent? By following the orders of the Government, they're 'allowed' to die?

 

Well, employers often prefer hiring immigrants because they know they'll stay at the job. A natural born citizen isn't likely to stay at a minimum-wage job for long because we have a higher standard of living. It's a complex issue, for sure.

 

Hybrid, I agree with you, though I see what Raymond is saying as well, there's no real answer, and that's sort of what I've been trying to get at the whole time. Theres a trade off for everything, hence why the problem has escalated to such an extreme.

 

I'm not too sure on the finer details but I'm pretty sure he did that to himself in a detention centre a few years ago and when he was the only one granted asylum in Australia, then he sued the people the people who fed the system the money to keep him here.

Why should we the taxpayers fund people who come here, riot against us, sue us, using our money to fund their legal bills and our money as a payout when there are other things that could be addressed? John Howard, two Prime Ministers back set the Naroo Plan that kept them at bay and when Kevin Rudd came into office (Australians should know this name) he scraped it. With the cost of living going up and the introduction of the carbon tax about to be implemented from the first of July, it's going to be harder to keep a citizen alive, and the government gives no crap about their own people. Homelessness is on the rise, and the government wonders why. Because the government is giving a majority of government owned houses to the refugees who get their application accepted, who refuse to work and linger on the dole. I rather pay for some other person who was an Australian citizen for them to sit on their butt on the dole rather than to pay for some refugee's/asylum seeker's legal plight against the country that they should be grateful to be receiving a bed and food from.

And as much as it's harsh it's not racist and sadly it's the truth. A lot of people here are really sick of seeing their tax payers money wasted on these people rather genuine or fakers, should be not be here cos we are not the only country in the world that accepts refugees/asylum seekers.

 

Wow. Wah fucking wah, your cost of living is going to go up. It's not a big fucking deal. I find it rather sad you would rather NOT have your cost of living go up and pay more taxes than save people from fucking persecution. And even to that end, putting them in detention centers doesn't sound like much of an escape from what they were running from in the first place.

I'm sorry but if your homeless are increasing and you're pissed at the Government for 'making it this way', DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Donate to charity. Buy some meals. Do community service.

My family came to the US as a single Air Force pilot, a mother and her 6 children - my uncle, aunts, and mother. They had less than 5 dollars between themselves and now we're all hardworking citizens. If the people of your country can't find a way to work things out with an education and previous job experience, then good. They deserve to be homeless.

You may think I'm generalizing the plight of all the homeless people in Australia. Well guess what?! I AM. Because you're doing the same thing to refugees and asylees in your country.

How would you feel if you and all your loved ones were being persecuted to the point of death or near-death violence and you applied for asylum in another country? And ONLY YOU were accepted? Would you think to yourself, "I'll wait it out with the rest of my family and hope we don't die in the meantime"?

Say you do take that asylee status and leave the rest of your family, friends, and loved ones behind. How would YOU feel about basically abandoning them to death? How would you like to wake up every morning knowing that at the moment you're waking up safe and sound in another country, SOMEONE YOU LOVE COULD BE GETTING TORTURED. OR KILLED. How would you feel about yourself? If you could wake up every morning with a smile on your face after something like that, God help you.

Honestly. You'd rather pay for some lazy-ass citizen who doesn't realize how good he has it just being homeless in a first-world country than to at least give some sort of compensation for a man who has to live with the fact that the woman that he loves and his own kids are left behind in a world where anything could happen to them?

I'm sorry to say this, but the attitude of your people make me sick. Get your shit together. If a kid like me can get a job while still in 8th grade and work my way to a salaried job, they can get off their asses and find something productive to do.

TL;DR There's nothing you can do about the refugees and asylees in your country. Stop blaming them for your fucking issues. If you're not economically where you want to be, get off your fucking ass and do something about it instead of bitching about people who risked their damned lives to get where they are. I'm pretty fucking damned sure that's more important than where your tax money goes. At least you can pay taxes.

EDIT: Corrected a few errors that arose due to this being a mostly anger-fueled emotional outburst.

 

I'm with Minus on this.

 

So paying someone to smuggle you in via shipping crates thousands of dollars, from a country that requires you to cross other countries that accepts other refugees/asylum seekers/boat people whatever the hell you want to be called (i.e. Malaysia, Indonesia oh dear the list just goes on T_T) is a justification to coming to our shores illegally and be expected to be welcomed with open arms just because we have a bigger land mass? That's what makes me sick. The same type of people that throw their children overboard (as demonstrated in the Children Overboard scandal a few years ago) into the sea so themselves can get to the shores first and make the boat less crammed cos their children are in the water? I must be the only one repulsed. I really can't see justification to smuggling people in the bottom of an army ship either (yes an army ship, it's corrupt international officers who are paid to smuggle people into our country) making them almost impossible to find when we intercepted their boat and took us three and a half hours to find them. Living in the most inhumane conditions possible all just to get to another country. No that doesn't tell me anything positive about their plight. It just means they are willing to sacrifice their basic human needs to a person trafficker who also is responsible for funding the illegal tobacco industry.

And if we're so fucking terrible for even letting these people for feeding these people/supplying them basic human needs in a detention centre, you should read the links before and see what we are getting in return:

Refugees Wasting More Of Tax Payers Money In Christmas Island

eBay Australia discussion about how they are suing the people who pay for them to arrive here

 

I'm repulsed by you repeating John Howards lies.
no children were actually thrown overboard! A senate inquiry and video evidence proved that to be more of the bullshit Howard tried to feed Australians through his entire time in office.
Christ.

 

I hate to sound like a douche, but the fact that, upon research, finding what Harlz says is true and that you're basing your whole argument on a Government lie, specifically YOUR preferred government, makes me laugh so hard I can't take you seriously anymore.

 

Hahahahaha.

Oh wow.

 

I don't really care too much on the issue in America. As long as they aren't freeloading, what's the big deal?

 

a) The only thing Howard did right while in office was the Naroo Plan. We didn't have this problem when he was in office in the long years he was in. We accepted the x amount of refugees as agreed with the UN, we played our part and we're still playing it. Lies or not, we didn't have this problem. We had other problems with his government but refugees suing us was not one of them.

b) I supported Rudd in various policies in his election promises but he broke the refugee policy when he got into office and more so Rudd continued labor's trait of being money wasters.

Neither of you have retorted/challenged any other part of my reply so I can't take you seriously either.

 

Australia, like the USA, has the sovereign right to decide which foreign nationals enter with right to citizenship. The numbers we accept are actually quite low, in the order of a few thousand a year of genuine refugees. The recent governments have used the refugee issue as a political football, completely muddying the whole thing up.

Ordinary Australians do not object to taking in of refugees so long as they do not pose a security threat. It seems to me some of the Iraq and Afghan asylem seekers indeed to pose a certain risk, and their backgrounds need to be checked. Obviously this is the case, but many don't trust the public service bureaucrats to do this competently. We have been taking in refugees since before the Vietnam war. It is important that new arrivals are vetted properly. Our country allows many immigrants per year, probably more in percentage terms than most western countries. Unlike the USA though, we don't allow illegal migrants in to become cheap virtual slave labour.