A Thousand Suns Track Times

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    Casual D

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    This is the exact same discussion people had when Meteora came out. Foreword was 13 seconds long and it left a lot of people wondering why Foreword wasn't combined into Don't Stay, as the album with the exception of Foreword was 12 tracks (or 11 if you remove the instrumental).

    The only difference with this album is that the "extremely short track" is the third track instead of the first, and likely is the intro to the 4th track. But with that out of the way, I'd like to make a few points on something. First people are assuming the short tracks are "Filler" or a waste to be on the album. Just because a track is short doesn't mean it's filler or going to suck. One Step Closer is just barely over 2 1/2 minutes and it's one of the band's most famous and popular songs.

    Furthermore, Cure For The Itch is a highly respected instrumental in the LP world and it's only 2 1/2 minutes long. See my point? Just because a song or instrumental is short, does not automatically mean it will suck. Remember, this album was written to be seamless and something meant to fit together on one listen. The band has begged fans in many interviews to please listen to the songs in order, and refrain from skipping tracks because the album means a lot more as a whole. Therefore it's entirely possible that these "short tracks" blend together with their neighbor tracks, and that's why they're so short. It's not a way to cheat the fans into thinking the album is longer like some people think, and it's also not an uncommon thing to do on an album. Doesn't automatically mean these tracks will sound like filler or suck though because they're short.

    The whole filler arguement doesn't make any sense anyways, due to the fact that it was a common complaint with MTM that the album felt disjointed and had no sonic identity or connective thread going through it. Can't the band satisfy anyone?

    Now, before I click "post reply" I should point something out:

    Hybrid Theory EP -
    28 Minutes (time includes hidden track)
    Hybrid Theory - 37 Minutes
    Reanimation - Approx 64 Minutes (But with lots of filler)
    Meteora - 36 minutes
    Collision Course - 21 minutes
    Minutes To Midnight- 43 Minutes
    A Thousand Suns - 47 Minutes (or 51-52 if you count the NoBrain Remix)

    Now I rounded off there and didn't include seconds, but you get the point. If you take Reanimation out of that list because it's a remix album and not a studio album persay....this is the longest studio album released by the band to date that is full of original and non remixed music.

    We're getting an album almost 5 minutes longer than Minutes To Midnight.
    And Minutes isn't exactly a short album. Therefore I think people need to grab a paper bag, take a few deep breaths and just wait the 24 days till this album comes out. I believe people will be surprised.
     
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    This.

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    THIS! Easily this post should help people understand the reasoning of the track lengths.
     
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    I may have a theory, it's prob not this at all but an interesting thought, what if this album is just like one song broke into different parts? dream theater does that stuff all the time,LP did say your meant to listen to this album as a whole,from front to back each time.

    as i said it's prob not the case,but maybe haha
     
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    I seem to mind so many short songs.
     
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    Well, that's actually what it is haha. Hence the "A Thousand Suns - The Full Experience".
     
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    I just don't see the point of getting worked up over the album's length when we've only heard one song. Is it a valid concern? Absolutely. But it's impossible to judge the appropriateness of an album's length without first hearing the music; there are too many variables. Is there a lot of filler on the album? Do any of the songs leave us wanting more? Does the album start to drag during the home stretch?

    Be patient, guys.
     
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    Short songs can be intense indeed and i think they can be nice enough to be put also in repeat. As you said, many tracks reaches 4 minutes and doesn't say anything at all. "filler" is such a bad word, so simple and vague. Interludes is more iteresting, because is a connection. I don't really care if a song is 7 minutes long by including an interlude or if the interlude is a song apart. I'd not have been disappointed if the outro of Shadow of the Day would have been an interlude apart, track nr.6, it would have been fine with me cause is a sound i'd listen for hours.
    Lockjaw is how long..? 2:29 no? And is one of the most beautiful ones i heared.
    I am curious to see what will await us in those 1:30 tracks, if it's going to be like full instrumental, maybe extremely weird pads and electro beats, or maybe just some vocals, who knows. But it's going to be interesting for sure.

    Empty Spaces, if is confirmed to be an 18 seconds piece, i'd like for example to hear ONE NOTE alone that introduces the next song, could be a nice idea, just like the note Hans Miller did for The Joker in the film The Dark Knight.. that note alone was so chilly and it can express a lot of things.
    I am sure LP gone inventive in every little single thing.
     
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    9 songs, 1 of them we already heard.. 6 interludes.. Hm.. As a hole i think this is going to be fucking epic.
    I just hope the 9 songs is really different from eachother, and i hope the interludes are more than just Instrumental, but also add some lyrics.
    All and all, im very exited, i think this will be there best yet
     
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    TOTALLY AGREE..im going to do the exact same thing and listen to this album as a WHOLE rather than skipping through certain tracks bc for example with "The Catalyst" the song is INCREDIBLE!!!..and listening to the album in the exact way that Mike said about hearing the album as a WHOLE will make the Experience of "A Thousand Suns" MUCH MORE REWARDING...
     
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    Do you actually contribute respectably to any discussion or do you "This." to every comment you love and post ridiculas images to ones you don't?
     
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    Derek's post was amazing. But I think the people that don't get it now will never get it. A lot of people just want an album with 6 singles that sound like singles. Sorry, not happening. Get that in your head if you haven't already.
     
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    I don't care if the album is 50 minutes long or 5 minutes long. As long as I enjoy the songs, I don't care about the length of the album. Album length should have absolutely no bearing on whether or not its good.
     
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    AGREE with you 100% on what u just said im thinking that most of the short tracks will be completely instrumental because doesn't anyone even remember how a couple years ago when LP were just starting to work on some ideas for ATS how Mike mentioned that the band had stated that they wanted to put alot more instrumentals in the "new" (@ that time) album then they did in the previous 3? so i completely with you also on the fact that ppl fighting about the shorter songs being "filler" tracks is just plain ridiculous...
     
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    I still think this is Spraypaintnink. If I'm wrong I'm seriously amazed

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    Back on topic now, based on Ana's descriptions, the most of the interludes will have words, but not really singing vocals or anything like that, like Wisdom Justice and Love incorporates an MLK speech for example.
     
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    we need a confirmation! but i am sure 100% that this is it ;)


    CAN"T WAIT FOR THIS ALBUM .....
     
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    Not bothered by song lenghts or short tracks at all, not gonna say anything before I listen to the record.
     
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    He actually contributes from what I have seen. Some posts just seem to call for images because words just aren't enough. ;)
     
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    Chill out. Any more of those overly antagonistic remarks and you'll get an infraction point.

    Jesse, at the same time, that image was a little unnecessary. The same goes for you too.

    Everyone just cool off. If you havn't got anything productive to add to the thread then don't post in it. Keep your opinions and any criticism respectful of other people. Thank you. :)
     
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    I don't agree with you guys. I was dissapointed to see Jornado del Muerto to be so short. I really think Linkin Park should start making longer songs. I am dissapointed to see so many short songs.
     
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