LPA is gonna regret this. There i said it. Not gonna kiss his ass because he's apologizing. A member that has said things to one of the Admins on this board not once but twice. Yeah, he's a great person to let stay in the boards. Not to mention, let him have access to our boards so he can tell his friends everything that is happening over here.
I wish I could remember who dragged your name through the mud, Casey, but I don't. I have my own personal feelings on this matter and they aren't good. So I'm staying quiet, for now, and moving on.
well, in that case, i await will's response. i remember exactly what was said, i just can't remember who it was. my mind tells me it wasn't will, but i want to be sure. i've never had a problem with him, but after that whole debacle, my opinions changed and i, however, won't silence my voice. i don't think you can blame something like that on what you were going through at the time. i've been through piles and piles of shit for the last 2 years, being arrested, my dad almost dying, my best friend dying the next day, addictions.. you can't blame it on that. you have to take responsibility and claim your actions as your own. your actions aren't the product of who you are or what surrounds you. who you are/etc. causes the action, and quite frankly it's been that way for will (and me) for awhile. i don't know where to go from here. i've only been handed one "one last chance", and it seems will gets them anytime i go to take a shit.
Let's talk shit about everyone and blame it on our family problems! that way we can have more than 1 chance.
i'm not saying his problems were family related. quite honestly i don't know what caused his little breakdown, or whatever. i'd like to know. just giving vague details and then apologizing isn't going to make the ones whom he hurt actually forgive him. unless your name is Dean. luv u
he left because he didn't like the LPA'S politics or something like that. I didn't know they changed . j/k
Hm. No. They're not coming back. And, to be honest, I'm surprised I wasn't banned with them. As far as the Twitter incident goes, I know your name was brought up, but I don't remember who brought it into the conversation. I'm not saying that to cover for anyone, either. I've had two Twitter accounts since then, so I can't even check. At the time, I didn't come back because I'd said my piece, even though I kept it going on Twitter when I shouldn't have. I've got no excuse for that, so I'm not even going to bother rationalizing why I said anything I said. Like I said above, yes, your names were brought up. A lot of it was anger venting, but like I said, I don't remember who said what anymore. Indeed. As I said above, I don't remember who said what. I don't know if it was me or not. I, honestly, do not remember at all. And I don't want you to support it if you don't want to. Okay. I can accept that. But I'm not going to be telling them what's happening over here because none of them care anymore. That's fine, and understandable. Yes. You're absolutely right. That's why I'm not making any excuses anymore. You can ask Derek: I didn't make excuses when we went back and forth in PMs when I first posted here a few days ago. I told him I had no explanations for the way I acted, and that I had no apologies to offer, because the apologies would've been too empty and not meant anything. I had a conversation with a friend who opened my eyes, that you can't let little things bother you, which is what I was doing while I was here. I was also letting other people form opinions on other people for me, instead of forming my own. In other words, I AM taking responsibility for everything that happened. Yeah, you're right, I WAS going through a little rough patch, but that shouldn't have affected this, and I shouldn't (and won't) use it as an excuse. I've done that too many times (as you've all pointed out now), so I'm not going to lie and use it as an excuse anymore. Honestly, that's how it goes for some people. Good thing I changed my name to Dean! Nah. I'm kidding (obviously). The only reason the details are vague is because I've got no explanations, and even if I came up with any, they'd seem false and empty, and I don't want that anymore. And I don't want forgiveness if you guys don't think I deserve it. Yeah. You're right. That's what I said it was. But like I said above, I was making an excuse instead of just owning up to my own actions and taking responsibility for them. It's like I told Derek: There isn't anything I can say to make anyone here think I'm a better person, and there also isn't anything I can say to take back anything I said or to even atone for it. The only thing you guys will be able to do is to judge me for my actions from here on out. I accept that some of you won't be able to let go of the past as easily as others, and that's fine. I can't change that. Two nights ago, a person I considered a best friend told me, flat-out, that he doesn't think I'm going to amount to anything, that I'm never going to be successful in anything I do. Well, I plan to prove him wrong, and that starts with being a better person from here on out. All I can ask is that you give me a chance. Like I said, I'm on a shorter leash than what's even possible. So I know my limits, and if I step out of line, that's it. You won't have to worry about it anymore.
Not to say what Will and the other people said wasn't out of line, but Will is correct about this. Bashing him before he has done something, will not help anything. It's been like 5 months, so the least you can do is NOT accept his apology but don't harass him for it either, see what he does. See how he becomes and posts. If Derek trusts to give him another chance, when Derek got a ton of bashing himself during the incident, then so do I.
Will, given my part in the events that lead up to you leaving, I was rather apprehensive when I saw you return. However, after our brief PM conversation the other day, when I told you exactly what I thought of you and you still remained calm and rational, I am ok with this. I was also part of the Twitter conversations, and I think Casey and I got the worst of it, and I remember what was said and who said it. The majority of it came from two other people. Anyway it doesn't matter now, its the past and I want it to stay there. I thought that Will and I had some decent conversations here, and I wouldn't mind having those again. Welcome back Will.
I can put it past myself because I actually liked Will for the most part, and if me letting it go really means so much to him I'm not going to deny him that. I stopped caring about what happened pretty quickly and I don't want to dig it back up again. I'm not kissing anyone's ass. I make a point not to do that. If I didn't think Will deserved this reaction he wouldn't get it from me. I'm not automatically going to start jocking him but I'm not holding a grudge either. That's the last I'm saying on the matter, hopefully.
Welcome back, Will, I think at the time this whole thing happened I wasn't around myself. I never had a problem with you. Well, except that you listen to All Time Low, but I think I can let that slide.
I dont know the whole details of the incident. All i know is that some shit on twitter and alot of ppl got banned. As childish as some of the things i heard about it were. Let Will get this chance to redeem himself. He said he was sorry and he owns up to what he did. so with that said Welcome back Will
Can I just be frank about something. No one informed the rest of the LPA what actually happened, just minor details were thrown around here and there and it became a tabboo subject on the boards. People would be far more willing to give a judgement on whether this is a good move or not if we all had the info on what went down. That said I think as long as Will behaves himself he's welcome on the LPA. I never really had anything against him (but then again I don't know if he ever had anything against me lol) and I think if people are able to get past his previous actions and give him a chance instead of telling us how much of a mistake this is then perhaps we could all just move on from it once and for all. Regardless of what was said, even if my name was brought up on the twitter thing (not that I know if it was or wasn't), I miss some of the members who are banned. I don't expect people to think the same but I do expect people to be mature enough to accept an apology and move on. We all go through shit and sometimes it can affect us in various ways. Just remember, if Will does anything else he's out of here for good so it's more of an incentive to give him a reason to be pleasant. Those are just my thoughts though. Take them how you will.
Same. I already said what I felt about this in private to Will; and as a result have already said what needs to be said. I'm now staying neutral and hoping this doesn't come back to bite us like Johnny said. Otherwise I have no further comment. === And here's what went down: A couple of months ago, a member of our boards (who out of respect I shall not name) started receiving inappropriate and degrading messages from Friskey and Chris Tucker through Private Messages. The person being harassed (having been a victim of domestic abuse from her husband), received PMs that were intended to deliberately make light of her horrible experiences, and turn her traumatic situations into a joke. The PMs in question contained a video of elmo verbally and physically abusing a young girl, and upon reviewing the PM we agreed with the member that this was an intentional attack (knowing Friskey's past with said member) and sent PMs to both Friskey and Chris telling them to stop said behavior immediately. Rather than do the RIGHT thing and comply, they proceeded to ramp up the attacks against this member further, accusing us of being unfit moderators and attacking me personally (as well as Andrea and other members of this board) through their twitter pages as well as on the boards. Getting tired of this we told them to stop because they WERE in the wrong, and this is when Will got involved. It became a huge mess that divided the forum in half, and when we finally threatened to ban any member who instigated this further it lead to Friskey, Chris Tucker and even vasaib being banned as a result. Will was part of the attacks and twitter/forum badmouthing, but was never banned because he left "for good" after my threat of banning and was the only member to do so. Seeing as this was not the first time he has done such a thing, we told him when he came back this time that he was on a short leash. That still applies and even though we are giving him the benefit of the doubt, due to the previous events and issues with him..this is his final chance.
People make mistakes. Period. Will was a jerk, but he realized it and at least he has the balls to come back and apologize to us. If you have such a huge problem with him posting, leave this thread, and ignore his posts. Honestly. It's not that big of a deal. Just be cool, people. We all like each other- let's keep it that way.
The problem is that we have left it be several times Arlene, and thus it IS a big deal. This is the 1000th time he's come back after flipping out since he joined in 2003-ish. This is nothing new and many people are tired of it. But again, I've already crucified him enough and let him know where I stand, so there's no need for me to keep going on about it. I'm just hoping he actually means what he says this time.
I realize that but I think he just needs to be given a chance. Yeah, I know he's messed up and been given chance after chance but he wouldn't bother coming back, explaining himself if he didn't truly care for this community. I feel that if anyone really has a problem with it, that they need to PM him directly, rather then just blending in with the other posts in this thread.