Trust me, If you went from your home valued at the market at 500,000 before and now it's 250,000, and you cant resell your house, you'd be mad too. + he's lied to us, He's done against our will, he's not for the people really, he's just a president to mess things up, which incites disliking and to an extent, a hatred to what he has done.
The housing market, especially in California, has been on a bubble for far longer than Bush has been in office. We were way overdue for a market correction but the crooks in the mortgage business exacerbated it badly. He has been a bad President, I have no argument with that, but you simply cannot blame everything on him when there are other forces at work.
From what I can tell Obama wants them out and on other fronts, and McCain wants to more or less carry on with the current arrangements.
It's not pointless, dear. It's just to get your ideas and beliefs out, and have discussions (aka firey debates). It's good to see what other people think compared to you.
Last I heard the Iraqis want them out starting next summer. Not sure what came of their request but that was the last story I knew about.
That is correct. The Iraqi government no longer wants us to stay there, and (shockingly) this administration has actually started agreeing to a timetable. McCain wants us to stay the course, but Obama (who opposed the war from the start as evidenced by his remarks at a 2002 Anti-Iraq War rally) has been calling for a timetable for years, and feels that the central front to the war on terror isn't in Iraq and never was. His beliefs are that we should be focusing on Afghanistan and Pakistan (where Bin Laden is rumored to be hiding, and where Al-Queda training camps exist), and that a large percentage of our troops currently in Iraq should be out within the first 16 months of his presidency. Obama WILL reposition some of our troops in Afghanistan but that is only because the Taliban have begun to rise up there and Al-Queda is more powerful than ever as a result of our negligence. He wants to track down these camps, and I support him in those goals. We should've never gone to war in Iraq, and although I initially supported it...upon finding that basically every bit of intelligence we were fed on this war was a lie or fabrication, I'm at a loss as to why we still need to be over there after all this time. Saddam is dead, and the Iraqi people want us out. We've done our job, now its their turn to step up and run their own damned country.
It is pointless when what I say is going to be misconstrued into me telling someone they have no freedom of speech. I was simply asking what his point was, I really dont see a point in debating for the sake of debating, with no point. I wasnt telling him he couldnt state his opinion.
@Derek So you basically don't support US occupying Iraq, but you do support occupying Pakistan and Afghanistan? How does that make Obama any different from Bush? And in 7-8 years you'll be saying again that it was a mistake and you should've never went into a war there.. For a change, US should try and start to run their own damned country instead of playing the world police all the time. It's not just Iraqi people that don't wantt you in their country, NOBODY wants you in their own country and still you can't seem to realize that..
Really, I think we should just stop helping other countries. Yeah, its selfish but no one cares if we DO help so why even bother? We should just let the rest of the world kill themselves off.
That's fucking hilarious. So you are killing people so that they don't have to kill themselves, that's really kind of you. And if you think the rest of the world wouldn't be able to exist without you that's even more hilarious.
The Middle East is a fucking disaster area with or without or help. Obviously the world would exist without the US, but Im sure it wouldnt be any better off without our help.
No, Im not saying that. I am not for the war in any shape or form. I dont condone killing innocent people. I dont even know what Im talking about anymore, Im confusing myself. I was never and will never be for the war in Iraq, but I am for trying to find a diplomatic way to try and solve whats happening. Occupation/Killing/whatever you want to call it is obviously not the right way to go. Im going to stop talking though because I feel like Im talking in circles and I really dont know what I am trying to get at.
The United States really learned nothing from the wars in Vietnam. The situation in the middle east pretty much proves that.
I've actually been ranting about that at St0f just, haha. The more I think about it the more parallels there seem to be between the two.
With this I agree. I also agree that there are some countries who really need help from someone like America or Russia because their government is mistreating people or whatever but it's not up to US alone to decide which countries need their military interventions. There is something called UN where all or most countries should agree about military actions somewhere if every other option fails. And US don't seem to care about UN's or anyone else's opinion anymore and that's what bothers me.
*shrugs* He's kinda being the middle man. He can see both sides. It's good to have someone that sees that.