I'm sorry but for once I have to say in response to one of your posts: Who gives a fuck? If you make more than 270k you are in 5% of the American population and SHOULD be paying more in taxes. Its bullshit that John McCain wants to give tax breaks to the wealthy oil corporations while us Americans suffer under the worst economic crisis since The Great Depression all thanks to the same type of people/lobbyists that are advisors to John McCain's presidential campaign. Barack Obama has one house and one car and Joe Biden is one of the lowest earning people in the senate (he makes less than Obama). John McCain is however a multimillionare with seven homes and 13 cars. And you think people like that SHOULDN'T be taxed more? Wake up and realize that even top political pundits and former economic advisors are saying Obama won the last week and has much better financial policies then that of McCain. Go ahead and vote for McCain since you clearly cannot stand Obama or Biden. You've made this painfully clear the last month or so.
Agreed. I think patriotic was the wrong word to use there. That doesn't really make sense to me. He is definitely right though. I mean, it's logical. If you make more, you should pay more. I don't see a problem with that.
Actually, my point has been that Obama stinks as bad as McCain. I'm undecided if you must know and I've clearly stated that a few times on here already. I dont like Biden, I'll admit that wholeheartedly. He is dirty, he is a mush mouth and he knows nothing about foreign policy except to be myopic. Him being the VP pick should have set off red flags in liberal minds but blind hatred for Bush eclipses common sense it seems. As for "who gives a flying fuck?" You should, I should, we ALL should! They are telling you what taxes they plan to raise and not telling you whose they arent. The Dems have done nothing since they retook the majority in Congress in 2006, what makes anyone think anything will be better with a Dem in the White House? Its not a magic pill or fix but that appears to be what people think.
What is your point? You arent for either candidate...okay...so you are in here arguing with everyone for no reason. No one is going to be swayed into the middle of the road. You shouldnt be trying to get people to be undecided.
Plain and simple: Sarah Palin scares the hell out of me. While I am pro-life, I don't believe that if you are raped and become pregnant that you should have to carry that baby to term. She is just determined to make the healing process after being sexually assaulted that much harder. In no way, shape or form does that make her a feminist, it just makes her more fucking crazy. Also her comment about *fixing* gays. What a load of crap. I am bi, and there's nothing wrong with me that needs to be *fixed*, thank you. I will kindly ask her to keep her opinions on my sexuality, and the sexuality of untold numbers of Americans out of our collective bedrooms. I am all for having a woman in the White House, but she isn't the right one. If McCain/Palin are elected in November, I am moving to Canada.
Exactly lpboarder. You claim to be undecided and yet you are against both candidates and yet don't dish on them both equally. Every chance you get you post something to get Obama supporters on this forum riled up, and when we call you out on it you play the undecided card and act like you're trying to tell people the truth about Barack Obama. Funny then how your posts seem more centered against Obama himself than McCain. If you were undecided you'd dish against them both and you don't. You have a reputation of being sarcastic and a firestarter on the LPU; and as much as I attempt to never let preconceptions cloud my judgement, I've begun to believe you post in this thread solely to cause a fuss. This is not a personal attack but an observation. Feel free to correct me.
Well, I like what Lpboarder is doing, and though Obama's saying all this nice fancy stuff, and McCain isn't saying it, I like the otherside of the Ideas, or the counter-idea for what McCain says or Obama. I think His point is to show, as he has said, that picking either one of them isn't day/night difference in the picture. It's the Details, like the shadow of the tree, or mountain. I like hearing the straight truth, and I don't like the Fancy speeches, infact, I'd much rather have it bullet-pointed; And laid out and put the Nominee's to their words. Anyways. He's putting out the other-side of what each canidate wants. Sure, Maybe a nominee talks about the energy plan, and both are really good, but when it trickles down to your wallet, it's the same. More $ for efficient energy; So it's not a whole lot of difference at the result. ...Or, maybe I'm trippin' balls writing this.
I agree, since most people here are Pro-Obama and Anti-McCain, and there's a WHOLE lotta Anti-McCain posts here.
In all fairness, given how much this forum leans to Obama, there should be someone here to balance it all and I agree that there is a need for that. I just don't agree with the way he approaches his arguments in this thread. That's all.
I personally find his attitude to be really on the point. As much as I disagree with Joe on his political view points, as I am extremely liberal, I do love the opportunity to debate with him, and I do so on a fairly regular basis over on LPU. Everyone has a right to their opinion, and the right to voice that opinion, even if it ruffles a few feathers, as that is one of wonderful things about this country. I think Linkin Park said it best in Hands Held High: Risk something, take back what's yours Say something that you know they might attack you for. If we can't have the right to speak what is on our minds, then why in the world are we fighting in another country to give them that right? Whats the point of trying to give other countries a democratic voice and freedom of speech, if we ourselves don't have that right?
Taken that quote with my Ron Paul support statements ah my. And btw, "Military Commissions Act of 2006 - the president has the power to call any US citizen an "enemy combatant". He has the power to define what "enemy combatant" means." So we really don't have the right anymore*, we're just given the privilege of free-speech. Thats why we're "Persons" instead of "People". *Technically, but we're ensured our freedom of expression.
I just feel for some reason this forum has a very anti-debating attitude. Sometimes a debate for the sake of a debate can be enjoyable, and some passionate arguments are just enjoyable. Some people seem to get so upset over it, it seems pretty silly.
This forum does have a Very.. "No im right, can't you see? these are all the reasons why and here's proof! Don't want to hear your side", so im with Esual17 and enjoying debates.
As you wish. If I decided to rail against McCain, there would be no debate and it would be Obama lemmings run a muck. I make no apologies for how I approach the debate in this thread but at the same time I do not make it personal. Once it goes personal you lose decorum and the debate dies. And that is all I will comment about it any further. The search for the right leader continues!
And other threads. But that's actually a while ago, but I'm still fuming from that. He's a tr00 erectionkillah. I know it's offtopic, but it's good to let that out.
I would just like to say, that, whether you agree or disagree with what he's saying, or think he's full of shit, or whatever, you can't tell him what he can or can't say. Even if you guys overlook his post, whatever, there's no sense in saying "...so you are in here arguing for no reason." He's stating what he thinks, which we're all allowed to do. He can say whatever the hell he wants, as long as he follows the rules. It's not like you HAVE to state something against someone to start a debate.
Yeah. I don't really see his point with one or two of the things he's said, for instance the stuff about blind hatred for Bush, but still.