considering how experimental post-hardcore is as a genre, it's not far off to say a metalcore band could be post-hardcore and vice versa. from your list -- i'm not so sure about bullet for my valentine. most of the bands i listed tend to have really atmospheric songs or they use a lot of keys, which sometimes seem to be the defining points to post-hardcore (especially on wikipedia where people try to argue that 30 seconds to mars is post-hardcore ). the devil wears prada is a good one. they've got a lot of post-hardcore elements to them. they also venture into black metal and grindcore every so often, too. they're really experimental. i haven't heard enough madina lake to decide. they seem kind of like a heavier pop punk. protest the hero i put under post-hardcore because of how much they experiment in their songs and music, which is one of the key factors of post-hardcore as a genre. they're math-core to the bone, but it's not far off to put them in the post-hardcore category. as for 36 crazyfists, like i said, that one's always debatable, but some of their newer stuff tends to have a somewhat post-hardcore sound, at least to me.
I guess that's probably right about bfmv. I'll have to read the wikipedia article again for some more lulz. Heavier pop punk is a pretty accurate way of describing them, but they do have there little experimental things in most of there songs. And unless you want to say Experimental-Heavy-Pop-Punk i think I'll stick with Post-hardcore. Sometimes i wonder why we have post-hardcore when we have mathcore and nintendocore among others describing some of the more experimental post-hardcore bands, but that still leaves a lot of bands with no genre to sleep on . To end this large post, i reckon one day you could be a pretty good critic of some sort
I don't think I'd consider myself a critic. I just tend to put bands under similar genres when they sound similar or have the elements of that genre somewhere in their songs. What bugs me is when two bands can sound completely the same yet be placed under two different genres.
I only said not to because this thread would then turn into a "Coheed and Cambria: Post-hardcore or No? Tonight at 11" thread.
It happened a bit in the prog rock thread, but i'm yet to see a real argument (i guess) on what genre coheed and cambria are. Could you link me possibly or is it not worth your/my time? but i was thinking a bit the other day and one point i'd like to make is that if Between The Buried And Me can be considered prog metal/rock and not metalcore, why can't coheed be considered prog rock and not post hardcore?
TAKE THE CROWN when I think of Post Hardcore I go straight to them and Old Saosin. New Saosin...Instrumental wise, Definitely but Vocals..just Rock with Cove lol.