here here. I still like With_Teeth, its just...it's no Downward Spiral or The Fragile. Hell, Year Zero is even starting to get stale.
Now that it's been a while, YZ is starting to become really catchy now. I mean, back when it came out, I hated Survivalism. Now I love it.
I'd say Sunspots is my favourite now. What say you now Mark? Is there even a choice here? Thankfully I set the lad straight. 90/100 sucks now Casey?
I'll reiterate, it's not a BAD album by any means... except by NIN means. If this was released by anybody but NIN, it'd be a pretty damn good album.
Ah memories. Before Parepin, "steal my album", and $300 uber ultra super orgasmic deluxe albums. Oh the simple days of ZOMFG TRENT REZNOR IS POLITICAL. LOOK AT HOW BUFF. ZOMFG.
I still don't think it's a bad album by NIN means. It gets a lot more shit than it should. It might not be The Fragile or The Downward Spiral, but no album is. There's no way Trent is going to write anything like those anymore, so setting your expectations that high is setting your expectations TOO high
i apologize for loving an album that i anticipated for 6 years and then gradually start to hate it over time. my bad.
Ahahaha. I got HIStory for Christmas once. I lost my damn mind, I was so obsessed with Michael Jackson lol. And yeah, I understand that With_Teeth isn't a Fragile or Downward Spiral, but I mean, after 5, 6 years of waiting, you expect something more than "I am a good boy, and I will swallow it all, swallow it all, swallow it all, swallow it all", or "flip flop flip flop flip" Not that Trent's infamous for lyrics or anything
http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=307402 What do all of you think about this thread, and the Wired article in general?
Radiohead. Actually I think both could be called hacks, to a certain extent, and the same time I like both at least some, but I think Radiohead have progressed much more since their beginnings and have a more varied catalogue than NIN. I'll actually read the article now, haha. I was thinking strictly in terms of music but I see that they've included other aspects of their careers.
It bothers the hell out of me that everyone is going OMFG RADIOHEAD RIPPED OFF NIN. No, it sucks that while Radiohead got to drop labels first this year, NIN totally did the whole "fuck record labels" thing with Broken by using pseudonyms to avoid the label from butting in, and going against everything they wanted, so it's not that big of a deal. And the whole video contest thing isn't new either. APC did it with "Blue" back in 04, I think. So while their albums themselves are innovative in the fact it doesn't sound like overly processed drivel everything else on the radio, it doesn't mean they're fighting for a deathmatch of who wins FREAKIN AWESOME INNOVATIVE BAND OF THE YEAR award. It's the fucking psychotic enthusiastic fanbases are battling over OMFGZ WHO'S MORE INNOVATIVE?! They both are. They're different genres. Not everyone is going to like Radiohead, not everyone is going to like NIN. Moving on.
I think they still bear comparison on the basis that, were there a census of musicians to emerge in the last couple of decades or so that are considered geniuses, NIN and Radiohead would probably appear more than most.
Not saying they're not musically innovative. Far from it. I think they are a great inspiration to many artists out there now. I just think it's silly to get butthurt over the fact that Radiohead did something first or NIN did something first. Just be happy that they're making good music and are trying to help out the fans. I think it's just pointless to bicker over something so outrightly dumb.
Nine Inch Nails took the online self-release and made it their own. Tweaked it up and made it better. Then 2 weeks (roughly) later Trent announces a film festival for his album. About a week after that, Radiohead announces a film contest for their album (which was released around a year ago). Neither are being more innovative than the other. It seems as though one will get a great idea, put it out there, then the other will take it, modify it, then put it out themselves.
Yeah, I see your point and it's true. Just saying I don't think it's not completely impossible to compare them, at least on the merits of their music and influence and so on
Exactly. To argue about who is more innovative based on screwing over the record industry is just plain ole' dumb. Focus on how the music is different than everything else on the radio nowadays. That's innovation. What's being done now is just a great way to get the music to the fans without the suppressive middle man known as a record label. I think it's just NIN fans needing someone to bitch about
To be honest, I don't even think when they decided to do these things they were thinking about being innovative. It seems like they just wanted to get their music to their fans in the easiest, cheapest way possible (you know aside from a 300$ deluxe ultra super high def package ). I doubt that when they sat back and thought about how to distribute the album they were like "Well...how can we reinvent the entire music industry?" It was probably in the back of their heads, but it doesn't seem like it was a thought that dictated how they were going to do things.